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John
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22 Aug 2011 07:22 PM
    OK, so I've been on vacation, and had a big project at work, so I've been absent from the forums for a while. Though Sue and I met for lunch, today. Thanks, sue - it was nice to meet you in person. Her 2-1/2 year old grandson is a cutie.
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    Now on to some business. In addition to the Zone life-style, the more research i do, the more I am certain it is to our benefit to minimize grains - even more so than the zone requires.
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    But, aside from the inflammation and high-glycemic load, which Dr. Sears has overcome in his new Zone foods - I wonder if the problems from Gluten, and as I research even worse from LECTINS, also apply to the new Zone foods? Maybe TECH can answer? The new Zone foods still have Gluten, not good for Celiac Disease or Gluten sensitivity - which like silent inflammation, we might all suffer to some degree. But do the new Zone foods also have the problem that all other grain foods have with lectins?
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    And as for the nutritional value of grains? First off, they aren’t the complete nutritional sources they’re made out to be. Quite the contrary, grains have been associated with minerals deficiencies, perhaps because of high phytate levels. A diet high in grains may also reduce the body’s ability to process vitamin D.
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    Why not get the same nutrients from sources that don’t come back and bite you in the backside? If you have the choice between getting, say, B-vitamins from chicken or some “whole wheat” pasta, I’m going to say go with the chicken every time. Is pasta cheaper? Yes. Is it healthier? No. The B6 in chicken is more bioavailable, for one. The fact is, you pay too high a physiological price for the pasta source. Let’s get this point on the dinner table as well: whatever nutrients you can get from whole grains you can get in equal to greater amounts in other food. In terms of nutrient density, grains can’t hold a candle to a diverse diet of veggies and meats. (And if the label says otherwise, look closely because the product is fortified. Save your money and buy a good supplement instead..
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    Enter the lurker substances in grains that cause a lot of people a whole lot of obvious problems (and probably all of us some kind of damage over time). Grains, new evolutionarily-speaking, are frankly hard on the digestive system. (You say fiber, I say unnecessary roughage, but that’s only the half of it.) Enter gluten and lectins, both initiators of digestive mayhem, you might say.
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    Gluten, the large, water-soluble protein that creates the sludge, err, elasticity in dough, is found in most common grains like wheat, rye and barley (and it’s the primary glue in wallpaper paste). Researchers now believe that a third of us are likely gluten intolerant/sensitive. That third of us (and I would suspect many more on some level) “react” to gluten with a perceptible inflammatory response. Over time, those who are gluten intolerant can develop a dismal array of medical conditions: dermatitis, joint pain, reproductive problems, acid reflux and other digestive conditions, autoimmune disorders, and Celiac disease. And that still doesn’t mean that the rest of us aren’t experiencing some milder negative effect that simply doesn’t manifest itself so obviously.
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    Now for lectins. Lectins are mild, natural toxins that aren’t limited to just grains but seem to be found in especially high levels in most common grain varieties. They serve as one more reason grains just aren’t worth all the trouble that comes with them. Lectins, researchers have found, inhibit the natural repair system of the GI tract, potentially leaving the rest of the body open to the impact of errant, wandering (i.e. unwanted) material from the digestive system, especially when these lectins “unlock” barriers to entry and allow larger undigested protein molecules into the bloodstream. This breach can initiate all kinds of immune-related havoc and is thought to be related to the development of autoimmune disorders. Some people are more sensitive to the damage of lectins than others, as in the case with gluten. Nonetheless, I’d say, over time we all pay the piper.
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    The bottom line is this: grains = carbs. Unnecessary at best, but flat out unhealthy at worst, they’re not the wholesome staples they’re made out to be. Talk about double taxation: Our bodies pay for what our trusty government subsidizes Big Agra for. The best – really the only way – to achieve a good whole foods diet is to ditch the grains. (Your body will be better off without inflammation, the insulin roller coaster, not to mention the constant onslaught of creepy gluten and lectins.) A diet very low or entirely without grains has been shown to decrease risk for problems associated with diabetes, to lower blood pressure, alleviate heartburn symptoms, and shed abdominal fat. Finally, grain-free diets have been associated with significant “reductions in a number of pro-inflammatory cytokines, chemokines, and adhesion molecules.”
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    The idea here is not to demonize grains. Well, O.K., it is. (But only because our society and medical establishment spends so much time exalting them.) Just as I choose to steer clear of grains as a regular part of my diet, I do occasionally indulge a bit. A tiny bit. And that’s where the Primal Blueprint enters: it’s about informed, not dictated choices. That French bread at an anniversary dinner, a sample of the pasta salad at your Uncle Billy’s steak fry, the saffron rice your daughter cooks for you when you visit her first apartment – they’re thoughtful, purposeful compromises. (And they’re perhaps very worth it for reasons that have nothing to do with the food itself.) The point of the Primal Blueprint if this: When you understand the metabolic effects of eating grains, you’re empowered to make informed decisions about the role grains will have in your diet. You’re free to enjoy good health and self-selected compromises with a clear conscience and full epicurean gusto!

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    22 Aug 2011 08:27 PM
    Hey John, we all enjoyed meeting you too. About lectins, you might find the blood type diet books interesting. Avoiding certain lectins is at the basis of the BTD.
    Sue Knorr

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    22 Aug 2011 10:20 PM
    Good points in there, John. I also wonder about the effects of gluten and I definitely feel that is a downfall of the zone products,
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    23 Aug 2011 10:29 AM
    Hi John, Refining removes the vast majority of lectins in grains.
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    23 Aug 2011 04:41 PM
    Great, because most refining methods do not unless one employs the methods used by primal (oe paleo) man which involved soaking and fermenting,
    a long and laborious as well as time-consuming process.
    (as I've learned...)
    Thx for the info!

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    25 Aug 2011 11:31 AM
    I was just reading this topic and was wondering about beans do they have the same effect as grains. I recently restarted the Zone Plan. I have been basically using whole foods vegetables fruits nuts beans small amounts of low fat dairy after recently using the Nutrional Data site and putting my foods my Omega 3 to 6 Ratio was horrible so I went back on the Zone and added the Fish Oil and tweaked the food so the Omega 3 to 6 ratio is now 1 to 1 through diet alone not counting the Fish Oil. Now I have added chicken breast back to the diet but now I'm reading all this negative information about dairy. I was wondering what Dr. Sears outlook on dairy is at this time. I'm hoping someone on this board can give me some answers. I also see the new site has gone to packaged processed food or is this my imagination. Thanks in advance for any new info.
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    26 Aug 2011 08:16 AM
    There are new "scientifically 'Molecularly' baked" Zone foods that are balanced. And manipulated in such a way that the protein is useable and the Carbs are low Glycemic and hormonally balanced.
    The Carb affect as was told to one member, is more like favorable fruits than in unfav grains.
    BUT, many of us still stick to Classic Zone, as it is referred to now. That is using real, more natural, as God intended whole foods.
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    As far as dairy. If you limit your dairy to Grass-fed, pastured sources, that is most preferable and the Omega-6:3 ratio's are in balance. Dr. Sears does state that Milk and yogurt are almost naturally balanced foods. But watch the fat content, and added sugars - unless you stick with plain yogurt. It is the grain-fed aspect of meat, fish (farm-raised) and dairy - that causes the Omega 6:3 ration in the resulting food products to be reversed.

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    27 Aug 2011 01:45 AM
    Thanks for the info. I am just getting back into the zone due to High Tri/Low HDL. I have plugged all the foods that I am eating daily into the nutrition data site and Omega 6:3 ratio is coming out 1:1 with the food but the protein grams come out to 126 total grams and it seems like a lot of dairy. I am posting what I am eating now if anyone reads this do these numbers sound right and is this too much dairy and protein??? Ive basically been lacto veg so now i've taken out all the grains and only 1 fruit a day should i replace an oz. of turkey for some of the string cheese? I don't know what else to eat I can't stomach any tuna or any kind of fish so I feel like I'm stuck I don't like soy either. Seems like spinach collard greens and cauliflower are the highest omega 3 veggies so most of my veggies are those. Any advice from long time Zoners appreciated. The last book I have of Dr. Sears is the Toxic Fat One and I can't find the
    older one I had of his. But the weight just fell off me and I was never hungry don't know why I strayed from it. Live and Learn! I'm still working on the Fish Oil right now it's out of my budget but I'm researching trying to find something high quality that I can afford. I had no idea how many omega 6's I was consuming but I found out an ounce of Walnuts were a big no no like 25,000 mg of Omega 6's now I've tweaked and tweaked this food to get a 1:1 ratio Omega 6:3
    Oh well I learned a lot more this time than the last time I was on the Zone never clicked before about reducing Omega 6 ratio just followed the blocks and food list. I also learned that all the grains were highly inflammatory (who knew) I'm in information overload Knowledge is Power or Ignorance is Bliss is running through my mind right now.


    B. 4oz. no fat greek yogurt 2 B 15 g pro 6g sugar
    8 cherries 2 B Carb sensitive to fruit added block for sugar in yogurt
    1 tbsp almonds 2 B No fat in yogurt so I counted as 2 B
    ( I added 1 TBSP of ground flaxseed also I don't know if this is a no no or not) I figured the
    more omega 3's the better


    L. 3 oz chicken breast 3 B
    2 cups steamed spinach 1 B
    1/2 c. black beans 2 B
    1 tbsp. avocado 3 B


    S. 1 lite string cheese 1 B
    2 cups steamed cauliflower 1B
    1 tbsp avocado 1B

    D. 5 egg whites 1 reduced fat cheese only 5 g Pro so I added another egg white 3 B
    red Pepper onion spinach 1 B
    1/2 c black beans 2 B
    1/3 tsp ovo and 1 tbsp Avo 3 B (No fat is egg whites lowfat cheese had 2.5 g sat fat)

    S. 1 Cup collard greens 1 B
    1 lite string cheese 1 B
    1/3 tsp ovo 1 B

    S. 1 Cup Cauliflower 1 B
    1 lite string cheese 1 B
    1 tsp almonds 1 B
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    27 Aug 2011 10:38 AM
    I can try to help...

    Breakfast: I am not sure I understand your breakfast, I see 2 blocks protein, 1 1/2 blocks carb, and 3 blocks of fat (not counting the flax seed). Might be fine if you are carb sensitive. I would drop the flax.

    Lunch: cooked spinach is 3 1/2 cups per block, and so you may be short on carbs in this meal. 1/2 cup black beans is a lot to have, you are probably better off using these in smaller amounts, due to their higher density of carbs. 1 tbsp avocado is only one block of fat, and you probably are not getting much fat at all from the chicken, and I would recommend increasing the fat here. I would recommend 3 tbsp, and if your chicken is almost fat free, then 6 tbsp of avocado.

    Snack: you would have to increase the cauliflower to 4 cups for the block of carb. Also, if you use string cheese, I would not add fat. Lite string cheese still has enough fat in it, that you would not have to add any extra.

    Dinner: looks short on fat again, but not sure what "ovo" is? Is that olive oil? If so, that would be one block fat. 1 tbsp avocado is one block of fat. Your cheese is almost 1 block of fat, but since your eggs are fat free, I would recommend doubling the avocado and the olive oil.

    Snack: collard greens are only 1/2 block, you need 2 cups for one block of carb. Same comment as above regarding the string cheese.

    Snack: again short on carbs with the cauliflower

    OK, so that sounds quite "picky", right? LOL!

    I don't know if these meals are working well for you as far as hunger suppression, so if you are doing well with that, then perhaps the carb adjustments aren't necessary. You mentioned carb sensitivity in your post, and so maybe that is one of your issues, so let me know if that is true.

    If you want to lower your triglycerides, fish oil is effective and will be a huge help in getting your omega-3's. Might be an expense in the beginning, but it sure beats having to take prescription medications later on! That is how I rationalize the expense, anyway! Seriously, if you shop around, you can find better bargains out there than what you find on this site. I can't mention other brands here, otherwise my post will probably be deleted.

    I think your protein amounts are just fine, I wouldn't change the amount. The string cheese may work against you, though, as the fat (even "lowfat") is not a beneficial fat. Not sure what you could substitute for that, it is basically up to you. If you enjoy eggs, you could eat 2 hard-boiled eggs (remove the yolks) as your protein choice for your snacks. Many zoners enjoy replacing the yolks with hummus, thereby creating a "hummus deviled egg". If you choose to do this, you would not have to add any fat, as there is generally plenty of fat in hummus. You could also replace the string cheese with some turkey, if you prefer to do so.

    Hope this is helpful!

    Cranberrycat

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