enza
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| 12 Nov 2010 03:06 PM |
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Hello,
I have found two spaghetti squash. They are not easy to find in Italy but I love them. I would like to know the amount I can eat. Can anyone help?
Thanks a lot |
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cranberrycat
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| 12 Nov 2010 03:18 PM |
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About 1 cup cooked is equal to 1 carb block. Enjoy! |
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claire
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| 17 Nov 2010 09:40 AM |
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Hey Enza- I lived in Italy for a couple of years. It was always difficult to find low-fat protein sources. How's it going? |
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Sue
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| 17 Nov 2010 10:25 AM |
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Claire, what part of Italy did you live in? Our friends live in Desenzano on Lake Garda. I love it there! It feels almost like home to me. Being there with our native Italian friends, it doesn't seem like we're tourists. I've only been in northern Italy, places like Milan, Verona, Venice, Lake Como, Trento, ski resorts in the Dolomites, all over around Lake Garda, and briefly in Genoa once, never to Rome or places south.
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Sue Knorr
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claire
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| 17 Nov 2010 01:34 PM |
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Aw Sue- that's so cool! I've been through most of Italy but I've never been to Desenzano. How often do you visit your friends there? I bet their town is lovely- towns on the water usually are. Isn't Venice like a dream? I lived in Florence and Rome so the South has a special place in my heart. Tuscany is so wonderful on its own but it's also the place that looks the most like Italy, or what you would traditionally think of when you think of Italy. And Rome, ha- well Rome is a place all on its own! |
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Sue
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| 17 Nov 2010 02:52 PM |
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Claire, not as often as I'd like. It's a few years since I've been there, and even longer since my friends have been in the US. They have pre-school children now, which has put a halt to their international traveling for the moment. My girlfriend grew up in Rome, her mom still lives there. She moved to Desenzano when she got married. Her husband has a medical practice there. Venice, yes, just walking around, in and out of all those very very old bulidings and squares (and then you happen onto a McDonald's...crazy!). I was last there in the summer. A dream, good way to describe it. To me, it’s just so unbelievable to be there. When I’m there, and even now, can imagine how it must have been hundreds of years ago. I have a favorite memory of the last time I was in Venice, sitting in a café in Piazza San Marcos enjoying an $18 ice cream soda. And yes, I was a Zoner back then too, but it was hot out and I was in Piazza San Marcos, what can I say, lol! But I have to admit, as amazing a place as Venice is, I fell in love with Verona the first time I was there. It's got so much, just on a smaller scale, the old buildings, no cars, the Romeo and Juliet mystique, great shopping, oh, and the Arena. I'm not an opera fan, but I saw a production of Aida there, on a warm summer night, and I had the most amazing time! It's the oldest arena in Italy that’s still in continuous use (or at least it was a few yrs ago). It was just so cool! Well, actually, like I mentioned, it was a veeery hot evening, but just the thought of sitting there on those same slabs of stone to be entertained just like the ancient people of Verona did centuries earlier...I wish I was there now.  |
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John
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| 17 Nov 2010 03:33 PM |
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continuing off-topic conversation.
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- I have distant relatives in Naples, Italy. Both of my grandparents came over with their families when they were 4 or 5 years old. (They did not know each other, then, obviously.) But it turned out, after they met, their families were both from the same area. My Grandfather's family from Naples (Pilla), and my Grandmother's family from just outside of Naples.
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I recall that, at one time, there was a small Pilla family vineyard - but that was years ago. I also saw, while a young teenager in New Jersey, that on the cover of the weekly TV Newspaper insert, there was a huge headline: "Contadina Pilla sings in Europe" My grandmother, a Pilla by marriage, told us we were related.
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I've never been to Italy, though one of my desires. Strangely, though PILLA's are Italian, I ran into an immigrated South American Pilla in Florida. It turns out, some of the PILLA's from Italy immigrated to South America, and then years later, after being integrated and almost thoroughly South American Spanish, immigrated to Florida.
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cranberrycat
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| 17 Nov 2010 04:10 PM |
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Ahh, wouldn't it be cool to have a bottle of that wine, with your family name on it? LOL!
I have a friend whose last name is the same as a vineyard, and I gave her a bottle of wine with her last name on the bottle. Not related at all, but she loved it! |
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John
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| 17 Nov 2010 05:01 PM |
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My Dad has always gone by "Jack".
My brother found a bottle of wine named, "Mad Jack".
He thought it was fitting - and brought with him on his last visit to AZ.
It was not the greatest of wine, as you might imagine.
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In Nashua, NH - we have a place - IncrediBrew - where one can make their own beer or wine (or rootbeer for kids). My wife and I made a batch of Merlot, and so it has our name on it. As we also choose label design and lettering.
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(YES, we were able to fit this in amongst Hiking, Bicycling, and Kayaking - somehow, this fall.)
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J&L Pilla Select Merlot
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Won't be ready to drink for 6 months, and best after 1 year to 18 months.
Though we did also do a split-a-batch night with 1/3 batch (10 bottles) of Chocolate Rasberry Port. What a treat! Drinkable immediately. Simply labeled it PILLA's Port.
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We enjoy, savor about 2 oz. once or twice per week late evening with some good cheese.
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cranberrycat
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| 17 Nov 2010 05:23 PM |
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Cool! |
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claire
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| 19 Nov 2010 10:58 AM |
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Ha! Oh wow- if your girlfriend is Roman she must be tough! I love Romans! They have these great accents and idioms that other Italians tease them about at little bit and I can't help loving. I always think of Romans as sounding to other Italians something like New Yorkers sound to the us. I know what you mean about the McDonalds too, it was one of the stranger things that you never really get used to while living there- the side by side presence of the old and the new that are so hard to reconcile. San Marco is great, I was there during Carnivale twice and it was filled to capacity with the people wearing thousand dollar costumes. And as for the gelato, it's Italy! When I lived in Florence, the first gelateria in all of Italy was at the end of my street, so I indulged ALL the time. I was much better though when I lived in Rome. You really should go to Italy this time of year, it's really lovely in the South especially because of the temperate climate. Well, maybe not towards the end of November...until March...which is the rainy season, which is truly and honestly rainier than England and or Washington. Maybe just keep to the north in the winter? You'll have to keep me posted of any plans to return- I have a thousand favorite places! |
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enza
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| 29 Nov 2010 09:39 AM |
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Hi, sorry for my late reply about how hard it is to find low fat protein sources in Italy. I live in the north, in Turin but I was born in Sicily The main difference between the south and here (just talking of food...) is that here they use butter a lot. But as it goes for the proteins we have all sources. I don't eat much meat, I prefere fish and I have cut down milk and any cheese. I do not have a special reason, just that I find it difficult to stay in my weight. I don't miss cheese at all. What is surprising for Italians is that I don't eat pizza or pasta. Here flour is queen. No bread? Are you celiac? Thats the most common question. As for me I have to be really strict in the Zone. But very much to keep the weight and not feel bad. We don't have the SuperZone food here. So I really do not know what you talk about when you mention it. We have some creakers, some biscuit, soy milk, maybe pasta and bars, but nothing else. Suitable for snacks mostly.
I, as a second job, work as a tourist guide, also in Florence and Venice. So, whenever in Italy tell me and I will be happy to introduce you to Italy, even to Italian food. We have all the books by Dr Sears with Italian version of nutritional tables, that's help a lot.
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claire
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| 02 Dec 2010 01:49 PM |
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Ciao Enza, Piacere! Sicily is one of the few places I haven't been in Italy, though I have been to Torino. I hear Sicily is really wonderful though, I plan to make it down there sometime. I'm a southerner here in the states and we put butter in absolutely everything and HUGE amounts of it. That was a hard habit for me to break in my teenage years because I really do love my butter. You made me smile when you wrote about other peoples' reaction to you when you say you don't eat pasta, bread, and pizza because I can totally see their expressions of puzzlement in my mind- there are so many great and uniquely Italian expressions! I give you props (sei brava) for being able to abstain from eating those things while living there because I have a hard time employing moderation while I'm eating bucatini all' amatriciana, gnocchi, pasticerie, or even kinder pingui (which I know aren't Italian- but I seem to eat them ALL the time when I live there so I associate them with Italy nonostante). For all of you other forum friends out there who have never eaten a kinder pingui- don't, they're completely addicting. However Enza, it sounds like you don't have an issue with that stuff so, well done |
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Sue
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| 02 Dec 2010 04:08 PM |
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Hi Claire, Oh she's tough alright. She's a pubic prosecutor. Her previous job was in a city in the south. There was a gelateria just next door to where we stayed for seveal weeks, and I definitely had my share. Enza, butter, I hear you. And flour, as much info as there seems to be in the news about nutrition, sugar, flour, etc. these days, people here in the US also do not seem to fylly comprehend when a healthy person chooses not to eat at least some bread, rice, potatoes or pasta in their meals. |
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Sue Knorr
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enza
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| 03 Dec 2010 01:40 PM |
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Claire, Sue,
you made me wonder why I stopped writing and reading the forum for such a long time. You are so helpful for me. You know, I have been in Zone for one year, enthusiastically. Than, around Christmas last year, I tried a rocher, which is a small chocolate covered in hezelnuts and filled with hezelnut cream. Well, I finished the entire box and something from then on started. I was no more so strict, I felt I wasn't able to follow the Zone anymore, I felt I failed. You know, I am not self confident, never been. So from then on I have been a Zoner, but with some splurge (is it the word). The result is that I am no more the weight that suits me, but still healthy. What I like the most of the Zone is the healthy sensation of being 'right', of doing well. I have much more muscles because I train a lot, but is not as when I was completely in Zone. Now, somewhere in Sue's posts I think, I read 'enjoy the path and don't hurry' or something similar. This morning at school I was repeting it in my mind. That's what I want again, to enjoy the path, to enjoy my food, my feeling strong and well overall. Thank you for writing here. it is a big support. I know you have heard it many times, but it really is.
Kinder pingui is totally Italian, produced by a company near Turin. I am ashamed but I have never tried it...
One question: among the things I am no more eating there are dairy products. This morning I felt like having a cappuccino and I found a bar that makes it with soya milk. I had it but maybe I didn't have to, because I had already had my one block snack. Is the amount of soya in a cappuccino affecting the insuline?
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Sue
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| 03 Dec 2010 03:07 PM |
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Hi Enza,
You're welcome. I'm happy to know the things I write here are helping. Thank you for letting me know.
From the time I first began the Zone lifestyle I made up my mind only to eat food that I really enjoy (that is also Zone friendly). That's part of my non-diet mentality I guess. I've never thought I had to make myself eat something because it's supposed to be "good for me", or that I can't eat something else because it's "bad for me". Yes, there are many things I stopped eating once I learned what they do to my body, but it was my choice to stop eating them. I made the choice for myself, after I read about the consequences of eating them, not because I felt I had to deprive myself of them to lose weight. When you make a conscious choice, whether it's about diet or something else, I think it becomes much easier to assimilate it into your everyday life than if it had been imposed on you and you had no choice. This also ties into the non-diet mindset (diet used in the traditional sense, deprivation to achieve weight loss). Now I prefer to eat the foods that empower me and do things good things for my body, as long as they are foods I like.
We have rocher here too. The stores are filled with them at this time of year. Are Kinder Pingui similar to those milk bar chocolates for kids? I was surprised when I first saw the many milk bars (candy bars) being advertised for children. Being so in tune with healthy diets, I tend to notice things like that.
If the cappuccino contains a significant amount of milk or soy milk, say 1/2 cup or more, then it would be a good idea to include it in your daily protein requirement and Zone balance. It gets a little trickier with flavored cappuccinos because they could easily contain significant amounts of unfavorable carbohydrate that can spike your blood sugar and take you right out of the Zone. Another thing to keep in mind is that any cappuccino, plain or flavored contains a significant amount of caffeine, which elevates insulin levels. Dr. Sears recommends switching to decaf. How well it works for you (to keep you in the Zone) would also depend on how well you respond to the carbohydrates in the milk or soy milk, if your cappuccino contains a signigificant amount of milk. Some people can't stay in the Zone when they drink a glass of milk because liquid carbohydrate, even favorable liquid carbohydrate, elevates their blood sugar too quickly.
Enza, stick around with us here for a while and, by all means, enjoy your healthy Zone lifestyle.
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cranberrycat
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| 03 Dec 2010 05:09 PM |
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Out of curiosity, I was at a McDonalds yesterday and was reading the nutritional information for a variety of their McCafe drinks.
EYE-OPENING!
I didn't bring the document with me, but it was amazing to see how many carb grams and calories were in a typical drink... cappucino, mocha, flavored latte, etc.
If I really wanted to splurge, perhaps I might want to have a mocha (loved them prior to my zone days), until I read the nutritional information.
However, if you want a special coffee drink, a plain latte is still a decent option. As long as the milk is kept to 8oz or less, this drink fits the Zone as a 1-block snack (provided good carb tolerance to the milk as a liquid carb).
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enza
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| 05 Dec 2010 05:23 AM |
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Sue, Cranberrycat,
I think, judging from what I see in movies nand chain shops dedicated to coffee and similar, that cappuccinos in USA are sort of bigger and with more milk than here where it's just a shot of milk and, yes, more coffee... In fact, cutting off milk that I love, I am taking much less coffee myself because I used to have it macchiato with milk.
Yesterday I had a hard day working in Monaco, France, the whole day out from early morning and I brought all the food with me. I made 3blk sandwiches using an organic bread made of Kamut flour. I just have it in days like that, when It comes at ease to have a sandwich with me. It works and it helps me not to be tempted by all the chocolate around in this season.
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John
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| 05 Dec 2010 07:18 AM |
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Good for you! AND agreed, American (USA) foods are way to excessive! It has been my complaintfor a long tme. Fortunately, a few local restaurants now have smaller and wiser portions, and the one we like most even with even has lower carbs! Though we only eat out about once per month.
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Christie
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| 05 Dec 2010 08:58 AM |
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Enza - I so agree with what you said about the support that is here at the forum. It's such a wonderful support network. I just want to continue to encourage you in your journey. I have a T-shirt that reads "It's not about perfection - it's about getting results". That helps me to remember that I'm human and that I may not always be perfect. But as long as I'm striving for results then I am steadily making all the changes I need to be good to my body using the Zone. I also SO agree with what Sue said about keeping the focus on food as a tool as opposed to a weight loss goal. That was such a turning point for me when I first started the Zone. I eat food that I like that is part of the Zone so it will help me to be healthy. There's nothing that feels like deprivation because I'm CHOOSING to be healthy. Just continue to ask for help, come here for support, and work each day for success and you will always be a Zone winner. |
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Christie
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| 05 Dec 2010 09:01 AM |
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Cranberrycat - I know exactly what you mean about the nutrition labels! When I did the research so I could eat my McRib I was really surprised. I enjoyed it but I don't think I will eat another one. The taste just didn't make up for the damage. |
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enza
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| 05 Dec 2010 02:18 PM |
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thank you Christie. thank you very much |
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cranberrycat
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| 06 Dec 2010 01:45 PM |
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Enza, sounds typical that the USA would come up with a way to "Americanize" the cappuccino drink! I was not sure when I wrote my other post, but I was thinking that probably YOUR Italian version of cappuccino is probably not all that bad (except for the caffeine, of course). |
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claire
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| 14 Dec 2010 09:06 AM |
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Hey Enza,
I apologize for not writing back sooner- the holidays are always crazy busy for me. So, the italian cappuccino is much smaller than a regular American cappuccino and their amount should probably be equivalent to something like 1P and 1/2 C. I used to drink them all the time- though I will admit that they never worked well as a snack for me because I always felt hungrier after wards. Sometimes, I would have a cappuccino alongside one of the easy snacks I always used to eat which was low fat 'la vache qui rit' or laughing cow cheese with an apple or orange. |
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