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Christina
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05 Oct 2010 10:39 AM
     Hello there!

     I was browsing healthy tips and foods on the net and came across the Blood Type Diet article and according to it I'm not suppose to eat tomatoes, chicken and lentils. (I'm a type B)

    I don't currently eat chicken or lentils but I'm worried about the tomatoes, since I eat one medium (sometimes large)  tomato at almost every meal. (4-5 tomatoes daily total)

    It says it slows down B type's metabolism and retains water. I'm very confused.
    I don't really believe it and will definitely stick with the Zone since I'm loosing weight and feel great but just wonder if I combine the Blood Type Diet as well, is it gonna be the best?

    Thank you for your opinions I'm really curious what are your personal point of views on that subject. Thank you, and I wish everybody great day!!
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    05 Oct 2010 10:57 AM

    Hi!

    I was introduced to the blood Type Diet (BTD) by my doctor who's an advocate of it.  I've been doing a combination of the Zone and BTD for many years, by practicing strict adherence to the Zone diet while keeping my BTD "avoid" foods in mind.  This was advice given by Barry Sears when he was once asked about it.  I notice a difference with some of  the foods that the BTD suggests I avoid, and not with others.  Those foods where I notice no difference when avoiding, I still include in my diet.  I don't know if there is any significance, but most of those I do notice a positive difference  from, when avoiding them, are certain fruit and vegetables. In Mastering The Zone, Dr. Sears explained that people with the oldest blood type (Type O) are very insulin sensitive to carbohydrates. I'm a Type O positive, secretor, and this is certainly the case with me.


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    05 Oct 2010 10:32 PM
    Christina, I am a B type, and I tried to combine the Zone with the BTD a few years back. Now, as I recall, you could pay $$ to do a silly saliva test to see if you are a secreter or non-secreter. If you are a "nonnie", then I believe tomatoes are not a problem. Basically, though, I tried following both, and had no significant improvement in my overall results. Plus, I was really missing my tomatoes! So, I really think that the BTD is a bunch of bunk. But, just my opinion (I have read online reviews on the diet, and many agree that there is not much truth behind it, not really backed by any substantial research).
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    06 Oct 2010 08:28 AM
    Thank you both Sue and Cranberrycat,

    I'm so desperate to do my best that I'm constantly looking for improvement.
    For now, I decided to stop the tomatoes (the food I liked the most of my meals) but will give it a try just to see if I feel any different. (Unfortunately I can't afford paying extra $$ right now

    If I don't feel any difference I will be disappointed but I guess not that much because I will happily return to my tomatoes.

    Cranberrycat, did you cut all the "bad" foods for B type or just some of them, and for how long? I'm curious how long of a period I should give it a try.

    Sue, did you notice significant difference since you are on this diet (I'm sure you did since you are sticking to it)

    Thank you again both of you - Sue and Cranberrycat - you are my biggest supporters and I'm beyond grateful that you always have heart for someone else's struggles and questions and you are always here to help.



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    06 Oct 2010 08:40 AM

    I read the Blood Typing Diet book and went gung ho on it.  I didn't eat ANY of the avoids.  I tried it over the course of several months.  I was looking for a way to improve my zone results, and I saw no difference in how I was feeling, and there was no significant weight loss, other than a few pounds in the beginning, which I attribute to my zone efforts.   After a few months (and it was probably longer than that), I felt that it wasn't worth it. 

    Just an example of how committed I was to seeing if this would work, I ended up giving away all of my home grown tomatoes, rather than eating them.  Now THAT is sacrifice! 

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    06 Oct 2010 08:50 AM
    Posted By Christina on 10/06/2010 9:28 AM

    Sue, did you notice significant difference since you are on this diet (I'm sure you did since you are sticking to it)







    Absolutely! 

    Here's the short list of what I noticed very soon after I started eating in the Zone.  This is just the tip of the iceberg what has changed for me during the past 15 years since I've been in the Zone. 

    ·         I had extreme low blood sugar symptoms daily, which made it difficult to function normally, especially during the afternoon, and they disappeared.  If I happen to eat out of the Zone, even one little snack, they quickly return.

    ·         My energy level increased immensely (I had a huge lack of energy pre-Zone).

    ·         My mood/outlook improved.

    ·         I began steadily losing stored body fat. 



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    View my Zone Fast 1-2-3 meal photos here:
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    06 Oct 2010 12:51 PM
    Just to clarify my previous post (and I will go back and edit it), I was speaking of the ineffectiveness of the Blood-Typing Diet, and not the Zone.
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    06 Oct 2010 12:57 PM
    Hi dear Cranberrycat!

    I got that, no problem! The Zone works with no doubts.

    It's so sad to give up home grown tomatoes especially if you don't see desirable results.

    I've always admired people who grown their own produce, I wish one day to have the same opportunity and commitment from my side!

    Have a wonderful day and Thanks for your posts!!!
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    06 Oct 2010 01:03 PM
    Hi Sue!!!

    Soooo glad to hear the Blood Type Diet works for you!
    These are some wonderful effects you've posted here, I only can hope I will experience some (if not all) of them myself!

    I will keep you posted all to let you know how it's going with me.

    Thanks for your answers and once again to say - I really appreciate every one of your posts - they really help me, and they keep me going when I just want to give up. But I don't - since I know I always can find support here.

    Thanks!
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    06 Oct 2010 02:01 PM
    Posted By Christina on 10/06/2010 2:03 PM
    Hi Sue!!!

    Soooo glad to hear the Blood Type Diet works for you!
    These are some wonderful effects you've posted here, I only can hope I will experience some (if not all) of them myself!

    I will keep you posted all to let you know how it's going with me.

    Thanks for your answers and once again to say - I really appreciate every one of your posts - they really help me, and they keep me going when I just want to give up. But I don't - since I know I always can find support here.

    Thanks!
    Be careful about Sue's results.  Unless I am reading what she wrote as different than what she meant - it looks to me as if Sue is listing the benefits of the ZONE diet and not the BDT diet.  
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    "Here's the short list of what I noticed very soon after I started eating in the Zone.  This is just the tip of the iceberg what has changed for me during the past 15 years since I've been in the Zone. "
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    Notice "... in the ZONE."  and "... past 15 years since I've been in the ZONE." 


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    06 Oct 2010 04:18 PM
    Yeah, I noticed that, too (that is what prompted me to respond with my edited correction).  After seeing Sue's response, it led me to believe that she was not talking about the BTD, and I wanted to be clear that I WAS talking about BTD and not the Zone. 
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    06 Oct 2010 05:45 PM

    My Zone diet benefits were definitely enhanced when I began avoiding certain foods that the BTD recommends my blood type avoid.  Please read more in my 10/5/2010  11:57 AM posting in this thread. 


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    View my Zone Fast 1-2-3 meal photos here:
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    07 Oct 2010 08:23 AM
    Good morning and Thank you so much for the explanation! Somehow I thought everything Sue said was regarding the BTD and it was because my original question to Sue was misleading. I'm sorry for the confusion and thanks (John, Cranberrycat, Sue) for pointing that out!

    John, how about you?
    Have you tried the BTD and did you notice anything different?


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    07 Oct 2010 08:44 AM
    Not a problem, at all Christina! 
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    07 Oct 2010 09:59 AM
    Posted By Christina on 10/07/2010 9:23 AM
    Good morning and Thank you so much for the explanation! Somehow I thought everything Sue said was regarding the BTD and it was because my original question to Sue was misleading. I'm sorry for the confusion and thanks (John, Cranberrycat, Sue) for pointing that out!

    John, how about you?
    Have you tried the BTD and did you notice anything different?


    No, I have not tried BTD - I have vaguely heard of it, before - but not really looked into it.  Since being on the Zone for the past 5-1/2 years, I have been successful, contented, and its become a lifestyle, as it is easy to do, even if not strictly following, which at times I did not.
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    I am type O Pos - so I might look into it, now and give it some thought, but always in line with Zone principles -   my curiosity is peaked a bit.
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    Dr. Mercola has a similar, Metabolic typing, but I kind of only glanced at it, and didn't consider it seriously - only the Zone, so far, has been backed up by a lot of science and research, and therefore long-term sustainable and successful.  Some other "diets" might be similar in results, only because they are very similar to Zone, even if loosely, like South Beach.

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    07 Oct 2010 11:11 AM
    No worries, Christina. 
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    07 Oct 2010 12:15 PM
    I found this lone objective article among the support results search, which were mostly from authors web sites of folks who had something to sell related to this type of diet and not objective, but more self-promoting.
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    blood type diet

    A pseudoscientific notion dreamed up by naturopath James D'Adamo: one's diet should be determined by one's blood type. Like many quacks before him, D'Adamo appealed to intuition for his brainstorm ("over the years, he recognized that each of the 4 blood types thrived on certain foods and physical activities") and anecdotes rather than controlled studies to support the validity of his ideas.  His son, also a naturopath, Peter J. D'Adamo (about whom the rest of this entry is about) is a fruit that did not fall far from the tree. He has written several books, and travels the world promoting the blood type diet.

    There is no reasonable scientific basis for the claim that blood type should determine one's diet, though Peter claims to have collected "over 1,000 scientific articles on blood types and their correlations to disease, biochemistry, nutrition, and anthropology. Even so, he's never done a controlled study on blood type diets. Yet, he claims that blood type determines body chemistry to such an extent that those with type A blood should go vegetarian and meditate, those with type O should eliminate grains and do aerobics. He suggests similar nonsense for types B and AB.

    According to Michael Klaper, M.D.,

    D'Adamo hangs much of his theory on the action of lectins, proteins found on the surface of certain foods that can cause various molecules and some types of cells to stick together. He blames lectins for serious disruptions throughout the body, from agglutination of the blood cells to cirrhosis and kidney failure....

    Since most people are unaware of their blood types, let alone what foods are "evolutionarily inappropriate" for them to eat, it is reasonable to assume that on most days most people eat the "wrong foods" for their blood type (e.g., Type O eating wheat, Type A eating meat, etc.). Thus, according to D'Adamo's theory, most everyone experiences repeated showers of agglutinated red cells throughout their bloodstream after most every meal - day after day, month after month, year after year. If the capillary beds in your heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, eyes, and other essential organs are subjected to barrage after barrage of agglutinated red cells, they will eventually begin to clog up. These micro-areas of diminished blood flow would at first cause scattered, then more concentrated areas of tissue damage - with eventually many micro-infarctions scattered throughout these vital structures. The brain, heart, lungs, kidneys and adrenals would soon be irreparably damaged by these processes, resulting in potentially fatal outcomes in millions of people.

    Such a syndrome of organ failures due to lectin-induced micro-infarctions of the brain, heart, kidneys, retinas, and adrenals would be well known to pathologists and other medical scientists. It would not be a subtle disease. In the pathology texts, there would be clear descriptions - complete with photographs taken through high-power, optical microscopes as well as electron microscopes - of damage from lectin deposits and blood agglutination in most major organ systems. The existence and intricacies of such a widespread disease would be as common knowledge among physicians and cell scientists as atherosclerosis is today. Yet, I am aware of no such descriptions in the pathologic literature. No pathologist I know has ever mentioned tissue infarction from lectin-induced red cell agglutination as a cause of any disease in humans.

    Peter D'Adamo's reasoning is based on speculative inferences from such facts as that type O is the oldest blood type. From this fact, D'Adamo reasons that people with type O blood should eat the kind of diet the earliest humans ate: one rich in fat and protein.

    "Group A is the second oldest blood group, appearing around 25,000 - 15,000 B.C., when larger human settlements first appeared as farming developed. From this fact, D'Adamo infers that people with type A blood should eat their veggies.

    Group B "emerged between 15,000 and 10,000 B.C. as tribes migrated from Africa to Europe, Asia and the Americas and mingled with other populations. So, concludes D'Adamo, people with type B blood should eat a "balanced diet."

    Blood type has little to do with digestion or body chemistry. If you have blood group A, then you've got A antigens covering your red cells and anti-B in your plasma. Antigens are substances that evoke an immune response. Since people in blood group B have B antigens and carry anti-A in their plasma, type A blood should not be given to those in Group B, and vice versa. (Group O has neither antigen and group AB has some of each.) Furthermore, about 85% of us, regardless of blood type, carry the Rh antigen, while about 15% are Rh negative. About 90 to 95 percent of African Americans and 98 to 99 percent of Asians are Rh-positive. Also, since pathologist Karl Landsteiner identified the four blood groups early in the twentieth century, 276 discrete red-cell antigens have been discovered.

    Maybe D'Adamo should have 276 discrete diets, one each for A+ and A-, B+ and B-, and so on.

    On the other hand, as Edward Blonz notes in his review of D'Adamo's Eat Right 4 Your Type:

    Blood type is not totally benign. For many years, scientists wondered why type O's were more likely than other blood types to develop stomach ulcers or stomach cancer. In 1993, scientists found that ulcers were caused by helicobacter pylori, a bacterium which had a special affinity for one of the unique type O proteins. A geneticist at Oxford University who checked for other significant associations between the ABO blood types and the incidence of disease, reported that there were only seven; the relationships were often weak; and most, like ulcers, originated somewhere along the digestive tract. If the ABO blood type was that much of a key, as D'Adamo posits, these relationships would be strong and plentiful

    Victor Herbert, a hematologist who studied blood and nutrition at New York's Mt. Sinai Medical Center before his death once said of the theory linking blood type and diet that it is "pure horse manure. It has no relation to reality. The genes for blood type have nothing to do with the genes that handle the food we eat

    D'Adamo is not alone in this quackery about blood type, however. Obstetrician-Gynecologist Steven M. Weissberg, M.D., and Joseph Christiano, a personal fitness trainer, have co-authored The Answer is in Your Bloodtype: Research Linking Your Blood Type to Life Span, Love and Compatibility, Your Likely Illness Profile, Diet and Exercise for Maximum Life (1996). This pair claims that "You are what you eat, but you should "EAT WHAT YOU ARE.'' This means each of us should eat the optimal diet compatible with our blood type. They have many anecdotes to support their beliefs.

    Since the diets developed by Peter are not  intrinsically harmful in general, it would be surprising if he couldn't find many satisfied customers willing to testify on his behalf. All he has to do is ignore all the cases he didn't help with his diets to make his case seem stronger than it really is. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

    Some of Peter D'Adamo's dietary advice could be harmful, however. As Dr. Klaper notes: "despite widespread knowledge that many non-Caucasians are intolerant of dairy products due to the normal disappearance of lactase enzymes in their intestinal cells, D'Adamo recommends that 'Type B's of Asian descent may need to incorporate them (dairy products) more slowly into their diets as they adjust their systems to them.'"  Lactase-deficient readers who follow this advice are likely to end up with "severe bouts of abdominal cramps and diarrhea."

    Not content with limiting his pseudoscientific advice to matters of nutrition, D'Adamo claims that blood type affects personality and character. He offers what Dr. Klaper calls "blood type astrology."

    In the book [Eat Right for Your Type], he tells flesh-eating Type O's that they have a "genetic memory of strength, endurance, self-reliance, daring, intuition, and innate optimism...", "the epitome of focus, drive...", "hardy and strong, fueled by a high protein diet" (is he describing a Type O "master race"?), while he paints the "more vegetarian" Type A as submissive tofu eaters, "biologically predisposed to heart disease, cancer and diabetes" (p. 97). He labels Type A's with personalities "...poorly suited for the intense, high-pressured leadership positions at which Type O's excel," (p.142), stating that, in pressure situations, people with Type A blood "tend to unravel" and "become anxious and paranoid, taking everything personally." Finally, on page 143, he saddles the group with the dark image of Adolph Hitler, "...a mutated Type A personality." D'Adamo's system seems to create a "blood type astrology" ("What's your type? O Positive? knew it! So am I!") that imposes strange, limiting stereotypes on very complex human beings.

    Many people will no doubt swear by the blood type diet. For example, a vegetarian who eats a lot of wheat may find that D'Adamo's diet recommendations relieved her digestive problems and a host of other ailments. She may attribute her former problems to eating the wrong diet for a type O. However, many people with type O blood are vegetarians or eat wheat without having any digestive problems. On the other hand, some people have gluten intolerance and some have colitis. Their doctors probably advise them not to eat wheat, regardless of blood type.

    It could be worse. In Japan, blood type is used like a horoscope.

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    07 Oct 2010 12:22 PM
    Found TWO more objective websites WEB-MD and the Mayo Clinic, both of which site lack of real scientific evidence and do not recommend this diet.

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    07 Oct 2010 02:20 PM

    Thanks for the research, John.  Sounds similar to what I have read.

     

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    07 Oct 2010 05:24 PM
    Blood type is fantastic if you are an O type
    It takes out agricultural foods.

    Everyone I know does better without them.
    I'm an A, does not work for me AT ALL!

    Grains are my worst enemy, yet we are supposed to handle them.
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    07 Oct 2010 05:31 PM
    following ZONE, grains are not good fr anyone. The science is because of high Glycemic Index.

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    07 Oct 2010 08:01 PM
    I was going to say the same thing as John, eliminating grains is a huge part of the Zone eating plan, and I am not at all surprised that type 0 people do well. Even type B are supposed to eliminate corn and wheat, so following most of the principles were not difficult. But, as I said before, I saw no clear advantage to eliminating tomatoes and chicken from my diet.
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    07 Oct 2010 08:04 PM
    Julianne, good link! Thanks for sharing it.
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    07 Oct 2010 08:33 PM
    Grains are not just an issue because of a high glycemic load. They are an issue because of anti-nutrients. Grains have lectins, which contribute to leaky gut, phytic acid which binds with minerals and stops absorption and hard to digest proteins like gluten / gliadin which enter the blood stream and set up auto-immune reactions. For example gluten is very similar to proteins in thyroid tissue and celiac and auto-immune thyroid disease often go hand in hand.

    Since cutting out grains, my auto-immune issues disappeared. I have been following the Zone diet for 15 years, and my symptoms of various issues would come and go, like PMS and joint inflammation. When I did the grain free version of the zone diet these issues went and stayed away - I've now been off grains for 16 months, long enough to see a big consistent difference. By the way my need to large amount of omega 3 went too. I'm now on less omega 3.
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    08 Oct 2010 09:29 AM
    Posted By Julianne on 10/07/2010 6:24 PM
    Blood type is fantastic if you are an O type
    It takes out agricultural foods.

    Everyone I know does better without them.
    I'm an A, does not work for me AT ALL!

    Grains are my worst enemy, yet we are supposed to handle them.

    What do you mean by "agricultural foods"?
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