Cranberrycat's Superzone Trial
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MELODY
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13 Feb 2010 10:15 AM
I WISH I COULD SEND YOU THE MAGIC THRU THE MAIL!

KIM & CRAN~ I AM DOING THE FAST TRACK KIT FOR 2 WEEKS AND FOLLOWING THE 2 WEEK MENU PLAN. BUT THE FOLDER SAYS YOU CAN HAVE ALL THOSE OTHER FOODS FROM THEIR LISTS TO CHOOSE FROM RIGHT? AND IF KIM IS FOLLOWING THE MEN'S THEN CAN'T SHE HAVE ANOTHER 2 BLOCKS OF PROTEIN? AREN'T THE SZ FOODS 2 BLOCKS? JUST WONDERING IF YOU TWO NEED MORE "WHOLE FOODS" PROTEIN LIKE SAUSAGES, TURKEY ETC. FAR BE IT FOR ME TO ADVISE BUT I AM WONDERING CAUSE I CANNOT JUST STAY ON THIS PLAN FOREVER. THE COST IS PROHIBITIVE. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE MYSELF A CHANCE TO FORGE AHEAD IN THE WEIGHTLOSS AREA AND ALSO GET BALANCED AS QUICKLY AS I COULD. I HAD SOME EPISODES OF LOW BS WHILE OUT SHOPPING AND IT WAS A WARNING TO GET MYSELF BACK HERE. IMAGINE IF I FAINTED WITH MY HAND ON THE CHAIR CONTROLS!! 50 POINTS FOR EVERY PERSON I HIT IN THE SUPERMARKET? 100 FOR EVERY END COUNTER DISPLAY? LOL
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13 Feb 2010 11:02 AM
Kim, I was reading Mel's reply, and between her advice and what you said before about needing to follow the men's plan, maybe this would work for you.

You could follow the men's plan on the grocery additions, or mix it up.

If you are mixing things up, you could (IMO) keep your meals as is, and add a full zone block to 3 meals. You could eat a bagel for breakfast and add an egg and some carb if you want to. For lunch, a sandwich with an added block of deli meat. Snack can be a zone product or a 2-block alternative. Dinner could be a zone product with an added food block, like breakfast and lunch. Snack can be like your afternoon snack.

So, depending on how you want to approach it, either way you would eat an equivalent of 13-14 blocks.

Let me know what you think, and if it works for you, then I will depend on you to figure it out for me!!! LOL!
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13 Feb 2010 11:09 AM
CRAN...I JUST FOUND OUT THE ONLY PASTA AND PIZZAS ARE 4 BLOCKS. THE OTHERS ARE 2. HOPE THAT HELPS YOU BOTH. HAPPY VALENTINE'S!
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13 Feb 2010 11:13 AM
Oh no, don't depend on me! LOL! I was thinking that about adding the blocks but technically, we don't need to with the Superfoods. That is where I get confused and I read every post but I am still not sure. I keep thinking that these are two block meals and I eat three block meals. So, is that why the Superfoods don't keep me full because they are only two blocks each??
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13 Feb 2010 11:34 AM
I don't know...

According to the literature, a zonefast meal is supposed to last 4-6 hours, and technically it is a 2-block balanced meal. It isn't the insulin that controls hunger, it is the PYY secretion that controls hunger for so long (apparently). So, if you eat all zonefast meals, then all you need is the superfoods and you should not need to add anything to them to make them last. But, if you are mixing it up, then I think it gets complicated.

We "blockers" want to turn this into a blocking issue, and yet we really haven't gotten any guidance on how to do it. Do the foods become 2 blocks of a 3 block meal? Or do we eat exclusively a zonefast meal, and then fill the other meals with other foods?

The science behind it might give a clue, because if we add protein that isn't "molecularyly baked", then are we "ungluing" the process? I am thinking now that maybe the added protein isn't bypassing the stomach, so maybe that is triggering a response that we are not expecting?

Really, I think that these are all some good questions and observations, maybe we need more answers. We just are not getting them here in this forum, because no one here has the knowledge to help us adjust.
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13 Feb 2010 11:38 AM
Cran, where can I find that contact person and email address. I might put together a letter asking some of these questions.
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13 Feb 2010 11:43 AM
Kimberly, I am not sure if I can give out his information without his permission. I would think he would be happy to help out, but I think I should probably ask him before I give out his contact information.

I still have your email, so I will send it to you as soon as I get permission.
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13 Feb 2010 03:10 PM
kimberly, all you need to do when you have questions or need help regarding the Zone is call the phone number at the top of this page (1-800-404-8171) . If the person you reach is unable to answer your question, they will put you in touch with someone who can help you.
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14 Feb 2010 11:17 PM
LOL! Each time I call, they never really have a direct answer for me. I must be known for asking the toughest of questions! HeHeHe!
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16 Feb 2010 11:19 PM
Well, another day of struggle with the Superzone products.

I have only done marginally well with just one product per day, some days better than others. I have tried 2 products per day on a few occasions, and it doesn't seem to make a difference.

Today, I had decided, since I still have a loaf of bread, a few packages of pasta, and a few sandwich rolls (along with another shipment coming in), I will just dedicate my entire day to trying to make this work. If it is going to take a week to get in the zone with this stuff, I should have enough food available to do it. There is no better week than this one right now, since I am really busy with work and could use the convenience.

Today, I was hungry most of the day, right up until after dinner, when I used my sandwich roll and went to Subway for dinner. I ordered a mini-sub, then transferred the sandwich filling into the Zonefast roll. Now, that kept me feeling full, but at the same time I also felt like I was refluxing (rare for me to have reflux).

Tomorrow is another day!
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22 Feb 2010 01:50 AM
Mari,

I stumbled on your description of hypoglycemia and had a few questions. I have always thought I was hypoglycemic and that was why I really liked the Zone (because it taught me how important it is to eat protein with every meal/snack and how to choose carbs). What does a clinical diagnosis of hypoglycemia entail? Do you know why it is that certain kinds of protein don't serve their purpose for you?

Thanks!

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22 Feb 2010 09:17 AM
This is a bit long, but I found that it gives an excellent description of what hypoglycemia is, symptoms, treatment, prevention.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedi...poglycemia

Hypoglycemia
Definition
The condition called hypoglycemia is literally translated as low blood sugar. Hypoglycemia occurs when blood sugar (or blood glucose) concentrations fall below a level necessary to properly support the body's need for energy and stability throughout its cells.
Description
Carbohydrates are the main dietary source of the glucose that is manufactured in the liver and absorbed into the bloodstream to fuel the body's cells and organs. Glucose concentration is controlled by hormones, primarily insulin and glucagon. Glucose concentration also is controlled by epinephrine (adrenalin) and norepinephrine, as well as growth hormone. If these regulators are not working properly, levels of blood sugar can become either excessive (as in hyperglycemia) or inadequate (as in hypoglycemia). If a person has a blood sugar level of 50 mg/dl or less, he or she is considered hypoglycemic, although glucose levels vary widely from one person to another.
Hypoglycemia can occur in several ways.

Ideopathic or reactive hypoglycemia
Ideopathic or reactive hypoglycemia (also called postprandial hypoglycemia) occurs when some people eat. A number of reasons for this reaction have been proposed, but no single cause has been identified.
In some cases, this form of hypoglycemia appears to be associated with malfunctions or diseases of the liver, pituitary, adrenals, liver, or pancreas. These conditions are unrelated to diabetes. Children intolerant of a natural sugar (fructose) or who have inherited defects that affect digestion also may experience hypoglycemic attacks. Some children with a negative reaction to aspirin also experience reactive hypoglycemia. It sometimes occurs among people with an intolerance to the sugar found in milk (galactose), and it also often begins before diabetes strikes later on.

Fasting hypoglycemia
Fasting hypoglycemia sometimes occurs after long periods without food, but it also happens occasionally following strenuous exercise, such as running in a marathon.
Other factors sometimes associated with hypoglycemia include:
• pregnancy
• a weakened immune system
• a poor diet high in simple carbohydrates
• prolonged use of drugs, including antibiotics
• chronic physical or mental stress
• heartbeat irregularities (arrhythmias)
• allergies
• breast cancer
• high blood pressure treated with beta-blocker medications (after strenuous exercise)
• upper gastrointestinal tract surgery.
Causes and symptoms
When carbohydrates are eaten, they are converted to glucose that goes into the bloodstream and is distributed throughout the body. Simultaneously, a combination of chemicals that regulate how our body's cells absorb that sugar is released from the liver, pancreas, and adrenal glands. These chemical regulators include insulin, glucagon, epinephrine (adrenalin), and norepinephrine. The mixture of these regulators released following digestion of carbohydrates is never the same, since the amount of carbohydrates that are eaten is never the same.
Interactions among the regulators are complicated. Any abnormalities in the effectiveness of any one of the regulators can reduce or increase the body's absorption of glucose. Gastrointestinal enzymes such as amylase and lactase that break down carbohydrates may not be functioning properly. These abnormalities may produce hyperglycemia or hypoglycemia, and can be detected when the level of glucose in the blood is measured.
Cell sensitivity to these regulators can be changed in many ways. Over time, a person's stress level, exercise patterns, advancing age, and dietary habits influence cellular sensitivity. For example, a diet consistently overly rich in carbohydrates increases insulin requirements over time. Eventually, cells can become less receptive to the effects of the regulating chemicals, which can lead to glucose intolerance.
Diet is both a major factor in producing hypoglycemia as well as the primary method for controlling it. Diets typical of western cultures contain excess carbohydrates, especially in the form of simple carbohydrates such as sweeteners, which are more easily converted to sugar. In poorer parts of the world, the typical diet contains even higher levels of carbohydrates. Fewer dairy products and meats are eaten, and grains, vegetables, and fruits are consumed. This dietary trend is balanced, however, since people in these cultures eat smaller meals and usually use carbohydrates more efficiently through physical labor.
Early symptoms of severe hypoglycemia, particularly in the drug-induced type of hypoglycemia, resemble an extreme shock reaction. Symptoms include:
• cold and pale skin
• numbness around the mouth
• apprehension
• heart palpitations
• emotional outbursts
• hand tremors
• mental cloudiness
• dilated pupils
• sweating
• fainting
Mild attacks, however, are more common in reactive hypoglycemia and are characterized by extreme tiredness. Patients first lose their alertness, then their muscle strength and coordination. Thinking grows fuzzy, and finally the patient becomes so tired that he or she becomes "zombie-like," awake but not functioning. Sometimes the patient will actually fall asleep. Unplanned naps are typical of the chronic hypoglycemic patient, particularly following meals.
Additional symptoms of reactive hypoglycemia include headaches, double vision, staggering or inability to walk, a craving for salt and/or sweets, abdominal distress, premenstrual tension, chronic colitis, allergies, ringing in the ears, unusual patterns in the frequency of urination, skin eruptions and inflammations, pain in the neck and shoulder muscles, memory problems, and sudden and excessive sweating.
Unfortunately, a number of these symptoms mimic those of other conditions. For example, the depression, insomnia, irritability, lack of concentration, crying spells, phobias, forgetfulness, confusion, unsocial behavior, and suicidal tendencies commonly seen in nervous system and psychiatric disorders also may be hypoglycemic symptoms. It is very important that anyone with symptoms that may suggest reactive hypoglycemia see a doctor.
Because all of its possible symptoms are not likely to be seen in any one person at a specific time, diagnosing hypoglycemia can be difficult. One or more of its many symptoms may be due to another illness. Symptoms may persist in a variety of forms for long periods of time. Symptoms also can change over time within the same person. Some of the factors that can influence symptoms include physical or mental activities, physical or mental state, the amount of time passed since the last meal, the amount and quality of sleep, and exercise patterns.
Diagnosis
Drug-induced hypoglycemia
Once diabetes is diagnosed, the patient then monitors his or her blood sugar level with a portable machine called a glucometer. The diabetic places a small blood sample on a test strip that the machine can read. If the test reveals that the blood sugar level is too low, the diabetic can make a correction by eating or drinking an additional carbohydrate.
Reactive hypoglycemia
Reactive hypoglycemia only can be diagnosed by a doctor. Symptoms usually improve after the patient has gone on an appropriate diet. Reactive hypoglycemia was diagnosed more frequently 10-20 years ago than today. Studies have shown that most people suffering from its symptoms test normal for blood sugar, leading many doctors to suggest that actual cases of reactive hypoglycemia are quite rare. Some doctors think that people with hypoglycemic symptoms may be particularly sensitive to the body's normal postmeal release of the hormone epinephrine, or are actually suffering from some other physical or mental problem. Other doctors believe reactive hypoglycemia actually is the early onset of diabetes that occurs after a number of years. There continues to be disagreement about the cause of reactive hypoglycemia.
A common test to diagnose hypoglycemia is the extended oral glucose tolerance test. Following an overnight fast, a concentrated solution of glucose is drunk and blood samples are taken hourly for five to six hours. Though this test remains helpful in early identification of diabetes, its use in diagnosing chronic reactive hypoglycemia has lost favor because it can trigger hypoglycemic symptoms in people with otherwise normal glucose readings. Some doctors now recommend that blood sugar be tested at the actual time a person experiences hypoglycemic symptoms.
Treatment
Treatment of the immediate symptoms of hypoglycemia can include eating sugar. For example, a patient can eat a piece of candy, drink milk, or drink fruit juice. Glucose tablets can be used by patients, especially those who are diabetic. Effective treatment of hypoglycemia over time requires the patient to follow a modified diet. Patients usually are encouraged to eat small, but frequent, meals throughout the day, avoiding excess simple sugars (including alcohol), fats, and fruit drinks. Those patients with severe hypoglycemia may require fast-acting glucagon injections that can stabilize their blood sugar within approximately 15 minutes.
Alternative treatment
A holistic approach to reactive hypoglycemia is based on the belief that a number of factors may create the condition. Among them are heredity, the effects of other illnesses, emotional stress, too much or too little exercise, bad lighting, poor diet, and environmental pollution. Therefore, a number of alternative methods have been proposed as useful in treating the condition. Homeopathy, acupuncture, and applied kinesiology, for example, have been used, as have herbal remedies. One of the herbal remedies commonly suggested for hypoglycemia is a decoction (an extract made by boiling) of gentian (Gentiana lutea). It should be drunk warm 15-30 minutes before a meal. Gentian is believed to help stimulate the endocrine (hormone-producing) glands.
In addition to the dietary modifications recommended above, people with hypoglycemia may benefit from supplementing their diet with chromium, which is believed to help improve blood sugar levels. Chromium is found in whole grain breads and cereals, cheese, molasses, lean meats, and brewer's yeast. Hypoglycemics should avoid alcohol, caffeine, and cigarette smoke, since these substances can cause significant swings in blood sugar levels.
Prevention
Drug-induced hypoglycemia
Preventing hypoglycemic insulin reactions in diabetics requires taking glucose readings through frequent blood sampling. Insulin then can be regulated based on those readings. Continuous glucose monitoring sensors have been developed to help diabetics remain more aware of possible hypoglycemic episodes. These monitors even can check for episodes while the patient sleeps, when many will experience severe hypoglycemia but not know it. Those who don't pay attention to severe hypoglycemia events or who have had previous severe hypoglycemia are the most likely to have future severe hypoglycemia. An audible alert can let the patient know immediately that he or she needs to take care of his or her blood sugar level. Continuous monitoring has proved particularly helpful in pediatric patients with Type 1 diabetes.
Maintaining proper diet also is a factor. Programmable insulin pumps implanted under the skin have proven useful in reducing the incidence of hypoglycemic episodes for insulin-dependent diabetics. As of late 1997, clinical studies continue to seek additional ways to control diabetes and drug-induced hypoglycemia. Tests of a substance called pramlintide indicate that it may help improve glycemic control in diabetics.
Reactive hypoglycemia
The onset of reactive hypoglycemia can be avoided or at least delayed by following the same kind of diet used to control it. While not as restrictive as the diet diabetics must follow to keep tight control over their disease, it is quite similar.
There are a variety of diet recommendations for the reactive hypoglycemic. Patients should:
• avoiding overeating
• never skipping breakfast
• including protein in all meals and snacks, preferably from sources low in fat, such as the white meat of chicken or turkey, most fish, soy products, or skim milk
• restricting intake of fats (particularly saturated fats, such as animal fats), and avoiding refined sugars and processed foods
• being aware of the differences between some vegetables, such as potatoes and carrots. These vegetables have a higher sugar content than others (like squash and broccoli). Patients should be aware of these differences and note any reactions they have to them.
• being aware of differences found in grain products. White flour is a carbohydrate that is rapidly absorbed into the bloodstream, while oats take much longer to break down in the body.
• keeping a "food diary." Until the diet is stabilized, a patient should note what and how much he/she eats and drinks at every meal. If symptoms appear following a meal or snack, patients should note them and look for patterns.
• eat fresh fruits, but restrict the amount they eat at one time. Patients should remember to eat a source of protein whenever they eat high sources of carbohydrate like fruit. Apples make particularly good snacks because, of all fruits, the carbohydrate in apples is digested most slowly.
• following a diet that is high in fiber. Fruit is a good source of fiber, as are oatmeal and oat bran. Fiber slows the buildup of sugar in the blood during digestion.
A doctor can recommend a proper diet, and there are many cookbooks available for diabetics. Recipes found in such books are equally effective in helping to control hypoglycemia.
Prognosis
Like diabetes, there is no cure for reactive hypoglycemia, only ways to control it. While some chronic cases will continue through life (rarely is there complete remission of the condition), others will develop into type II (age onset) diabetes. Hypoglycemia appears to have a higher-than-average incidence in families where there has been a history of hypoglycemia or diabetes among their members, but whether hypoglycemia is a controllable warning of oncoming diabetes has not yet been determined by clinical research.
A condition known as hypoglycemia unawareness can develop in those who do not control their blood glucose, particularly in people with Type 1 diabetes. These people may lose notice of the automatic warning symptoms of hypoglycemia that normally occur as their bodies become so used to frequent periods of hypoglycemia. It is not a permanent event, but can be treated by careful avoidance of hypoglycemia for about two weeks.
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22 Feb 2010 03:36 PM
CRAN....THANKS FOR THE GOOD WISHES & THE UPDATE ON THE OAT GROATS. IS THAT LIKE THE STEEL CUT? THE KIDS ARE LOVING THE BUCKWHEAT GROATS RECIPES. LATER ON I WILL TRY THE OAT ONES. SO YES KEEP ME POSTED ON YOUR RECIPE TRIALS. IF IT COMES OUT GOOD...I'LL PASS THE ORZO SOUTHWESTERN ON TO THE KIDS TOO.
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22 Feb 2010 04:18 PM
Mel, the oat groats are shaped kind of like grains of rice. So, they don't come out like little nuggets (as in steel cut oats). They are still favorable because they are still a minimally processed oat grain.

I am excited about the oat groats, and I had a good afternoon on the meal, and I am going to play with them even more. Figure I can use maybe less groats and more green pepper, to lower the glycemic load even more.

If anyone else is wondering, I believe I had posted over on Mel's 1-2-3 Zone thread about a few recipes that she had posted using Bobs Red Mill "Groats". I had assumed oat groats, but found out they were buckwheat groats. In any case, I am not sure of the glycemic load of buckwheat groats (knowing of course that buckwheat isn't exactly the same bad animal that wheat is). But, I do know that oat groats are favorable, so why not experiment with them? Anyway, I liked Mel's recipe ideas, and I think they are definite winners as long as they are adjusted for the Zone. BTW, other than the buckwheat/oat issue, and needing some protein, there were minimal adjustments required. A bit less fat and the addition of some protein, and they are very good!

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22 Feb 2010 04:24 PM
I also want to share that I am officially ending the Superzone trial. I have tried all last week to make a go of these foods, and they just don't work for me. Today I felt more OOZ than I have for a long time, and it is just crazy to keep trying to make this work.

So, I am not posting any more food trials.

Except for the cookies, I really liked the foods. It is just that my body treats these products as an unfavorable carbohydrate. I approached this with as much objectivity as possible. I felt that it was unfair of me to be critical about these foods without trying them for myself.

Some positives, I did enjoy the convenience factor. I do think that some ideas worked out, like subbing the bread in a few cases when I would have otherwise had to eat regular bread (which would have been a disaster in the making).

But, as a regular staple of my meals, I was missing veggies and meat, along with additions of fat.

I favor the traditional zone because the foods that I eat are whole foods, minimally processed (until I process them myself). This is the food that God intended for us to eat.
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22 Feb 2010 07:58 PM
Allison, The test that I had a lot of years ago was the OGTT, or oral glucose tolerance test done in the hospital, but many offices do it also. You basically fast for several hours (overnight) and then drink a liquid containing a certain amount of glucose, and they do several blood draws after drinking the solution, and one before they start. I think it took about 3 hrs or so.

Cranberrycat, Excellent article on hypoglycemia! Describes many of my symptoms before I knew what was wrong with me. Especially being able to just fall asleep for no good reason. Glad those days are over!

Thanks for sharing your Superzone trial with us, and sorry it didn't work out. I agree, the foods are tasty.

I am giving it another try, but going about it differently, since the 1st time didn't work for me either, and I do want real food. Today I had a bagel for breakfast with LF cream cheese and chopped sundried tomato, but had a cup of 2% milk with it. Lunch, I had a leftover chicken sausage from TJ, made with a tomato sauce and peppers and onions, and ate half a bag of the garlic bagel chips dunked in the sauce. Held me all afternoon, but remember, I had additional protein. Dinner had baked salmon with sesame terryaki sauce, and oven roasted cauliflower with olive oil and spices. Snack was 1/3 cup of salsa and the other half of the bagel chips. This method held me very well throughout the day. I think it will work if I just keep to mixing and matching. The foods alone would not satisfy me, plus they would be very boring, but this way seems to be working well - at least for today.
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22 Feb 2010 08:16 PM
Thanks, Mari!

Actually, I feel "free"! I hope it works for you, but I am really glad to be done with it. I don't want to be dependent upon this food as my means of existance. I would not be able to deal with it, if it were the basis of each meal, either.

I am glad that you liked the article. It was long, but many other articles out there only address hypoglycemia associated with diabetes. This one, however, did not.
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06 Mar 2010 08:49 AM
Cran:

"IMO, the products are for those who are "addicted" to bread/pasta and would otherwise not try the Zone at all without the products."

You are absolutely right. I am a carbo addict. When I diet I usually eliminate all carbs ala Atkins and its requires very little effort to order eggs, bacon, tuna fish,. chicken salad and egg salad. This works for a short period of time but never lasts. I have literally gained and lost the same 15 pounds probably 20 times. I have been reading about the Zone for years but never tried it because frankly it seemed too complicated and with kids and a career I simply do not have the time. So I saw this as an easy fix. Frankly when I got the food I was afraid to start it because it had more carbs in the box than I have probably consumed in the last 3 years and the calorie count for each product also seemed high. I have just finished the first week and have lost weight about 5 pounds (probably mostly water) but I have to tell you I was hungry so I am not sure I was I was in the Zone. This week coming up will be the real test.
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08 Mar 2010 09:32 PM
Thanks for the update, Kathy.

I have been trying to just use the products sparingly, and each time I do, I think it just messes me up more.

For instance, today I had to get in a quick lunch, as we were running to a doctor's appointment. Now, I just had a really good weekend in the Zone, had done my homework and pre-planned in my mind what I would be eating while I was out of town, and I stuck to it and did well. Then, today I eat some of this stuff for lunch, and I have been struggling all afternoon!
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