Don't worry, Mari. I don't think that Sue's post was directed at you. If I had not chimed in, then I don't think that Sue would have mentioned the "bashing" at all. I don't believe that this discussion is a bashing at all, I think we are just a bunch of people putting our heads together and looking for answers to something that just doesn't completely make sense.

I always go back to that saying, that if it looks too good to be true, it generally is.

BTW, I am happy to hear that the Dreamfields works for your husband. That has to be really good evidence that the Dreamfield pasta actually is a low-glycemic product. I have heard of others who have also commented on how well it works for them. We don't have pasta that much in our house, but if we do, it is Dreamfields. I would not purchase zone pasta for reasons of cost and flexibility. With Dreamfields, you can add all kinds of stuff to it, but with the zone pasta, it already has most of what you need for a 3 block meal, and so I feel that the options are more limited--at least with the way that I like to enjoy pasta.

Please, do keep us all informed as to how your husband does with the products. This is exactly the data that I have been looking for, but have not seen.

Mari, have you seen the clip from the show SOUTH FLORIDA TONIGHT, about the two 600 pound men? One has been able to eliminate his diabetes medicine with this plan.

"Is there a link to it on the website?"

If there is, I'm not aware of it.

Sue, I am not familiar with the show, but it would be very interesting. I don't think we get it here, but maybe they have a website? I have to leave now, but will look when I get home later on tonight. My daughter lives in Florida, I will have to ask her if she is familiar with it, though she doesn't watch much TV.

You can watch the clip here: http://www.medwell123.com/Home/tabi...fault.aspx

Scroll down the home page until you see it on the right.

BTW, just as the original Zone, the SuperZone was designed for diabetics.

Thanks Sue, watched the clip. Now I am somewhat confused. Is Medwell the same as Superzone?

Update: Found my own answer by doing a google search.

Yes, Medwell is the same as superzone.

I found out about Medwell a few months ago, before superzone was introduced. At that time, someone had posted about it here, and I was curious and so I followed the link that was posted. Found Medwell, and found all of the same products that Sears is promoting.

I thought that it would have been appropriate if Sears had continued to keep Medwell under the Medwell name, rather than the Zone name.

I did have the opportunity to try a Medwell product for free, before it was marketed as the superzone. I wonder if anyone out there is listening to us, I think that this discussion would go much better if we all had a better chance to actually try the products.

"Don't worry, Mari. I don't think that Sue's post was directed at you."

It was not directed at any one single individual.

You're welcome Mari, and good luck to your husband.

I did the homework.

Keep in mind that the dietary recommendations for daily intake of fiber is 20-35 grams per day.

I used one of Sue's daily superzone meal days, each meal and snack was a superzone product with one additional carb added (I assumed one block).

The fiber total of the superzone foods alone was about 6 grams. The additional blocks that she added was about 14 grams of fiber, for a total of 20 grams of fiber. This is on the low end of the daily recommendation.

I use a couple of other low carb products, one with 3 times less calories than the other. The Low Carb Bread is 5 gm of Net Carbs with 2 gm of Fiber and 45 calories per slice, and I like the Toufayan Bakeries Low Carb Low Fat Wraps (7 gm of Net Carbs with 8gm of Fiber) much better than the La Tortilla Factory Carb Smart Tortillas, it's not so grainy and a little stiff when warmed up. The Toufayan Bakeries wrap is more pliable than the La Tortilla Carb Smart tortillas and it's a good treat once a week.

Also, I want to point out the price of both of them is much more cheaper than your "SuperZone" products. The Low Carb Bread is $3.19 a loaf at your local super Wal-Mart store and the Low Carb Low Fat Wraps is $2.99 for package of 5 at Sprouts Farmers' Markets or Whole Foods Farmers' Markets, no shipping charges. I think it's better for those who are on limited incomes or can't wait for the products to be delivered.

It sounds like most of you have second incomes, I applaud you for being able to afford some of these products on this website and having to purchase good-quality ingredients for many of the recipes that I presently enjoy. I prefer to purchase my groceries at the farmers' markets than some of these local chain grocery stores. I also purchase my vitamins at the same farmers' markets which are much cheaper than the health stores or online. That is my opinion!

Dee

My wife picks up Sante Fe Tortilla Company - Homestyle Whole Grain Tottillas Sam's Club, New England, USA). No fat, 7g Fiber, 6 Net Carbs, 100% whole Grain, and larger than most tortilla's. (Does contain Canola oil, OR Soy oil or Safflower oil). However, that is our only source of unhealthy vegetable oils. It does have some Soy protein, but I do not know how much of the 8g Protein come from Soy, so I do not count it. And we do not have them every day.
P.S.> I like their taste.

LOL, I have 2 incomes, and I can't afford the products, either!

I guess that if I was just thinking of myself, I could do it. But, I have college savings to plan for, always thinking of saving for car if my van ever drops dead, and of course a new computer to purchase, as our old one is running on its last leg. Oh, definitely other things, too.

We have 5 incomes (?) My full time day, a small part-time SAT prep teacher (me-seasonal), My wife's full-time (Teacher - small, low-pay private school, but extremely rewarding!), her part-time (guitar lessons several times a week), and her part-time as our church's worship leader.
Two youngest children (daughters) supporting in college, oldest boy with some legal problems, second child our other son at home after 1 year in USAF trying to re-establish himself, a new furnace & hot water system, a new washing machine, and more debt than I'd like, as I've always lived nearly debt free. And I've probably given way TMI! Oh well, "This, too, shall pass." Hey, Cran, e-mail me about 'puter- I think I can help you on a deal there.

Hi Zoners!

Trying to compare SuperZone bread to the breads available in stores is like comparing apples to oranges, as the saying goes. Other than the fact that SuperZone products have the taste and appearance of regular baked goods, there is no comparison between the two. Taste and appearance is where any similarity ends. Two slices of Super Zone bread by itself is an entire anti-inflammatory Zone meal that gives superior insulin control. That can't be said for any bread or baked goods you can purchase in a grocery store today. You get what you pay for. In my estimation, SuperZone foods are a bargain for what they provide.

BTW, for anyone here who might be under the impression that those of us eating SuperZone foods must be independently wealthy, you're sorely mistaken. My husband and I happen to have five paychecks (that's 5 jobs) between us in order to be able to make ends meet and still manage to eat and live as healthy as we do. Not many people these days are immune to the hard economic times. Where there's a will there's a way.

Have a great day everyone!

LOL! John, watch for that email, I will definitely send one on to you!

My DH is the real computer guru, I really only get to "approve" of his choice. He knows what kind of processor he wants, etc. He wants a laptop rather than a tower. Geez, if it were up to me, I would make sure that the keyboard was ergonomically correct (my small fingers and his long piano fingers), and that it has a nice carrying case but I would totally forget about things like processors, memory, battery life (well, would definitely think about that one since I deal with a laptop at work that only lasts me 2 hours, so I always plugging something in; and they call this a wireless system--gheesh!).

BTW, we are also aiming at debt-free living. We have cleaned up our act over the past few years, and we don't have any debt exept on the home now. I want to keep it that way, no car payments, no credit cards, etc. I was tempted to use one at Christmas, but had a problem with the line of credit, so I ended up paying cash after all--and now I am happy that I don't have to pay that off!

I just can't say "this is for me" and order all of this food. I think it would be wise to trial it, and give it a fair shot. But, I must tell everyone that I am skeptical because there is NOTHING that has ever lived up to the promise of satiety that is advertized, not even the Zone bars. That is another big reason that this is all holding me back from making a huge purchase, and then finding out that it doesn't work that well.

re "But, I must tell everyone that I am skeptical because there is NOTHING that has ever lived up to the promise of satiety that is advertized, not even the Zone bars."


The Zone only works as good as one's adherence to the plan. Cran, one only has to read your many postings in these forums to notice that you have been the first to say you are not the most consistent Zoner, both with both your food choices and decisions to eat out of the Zone, even to the point of coining the term "OOZ". Most likely your style of zoning is at the root of you satiety difficulty, your self-described "slow-loser" status, and your overall disappointment with so many of the Zone products. I wish you all the best with your SuperZone food trial.

Regarding Sue's reply to my post:

"The Zone only works as good as one's adherence to the plan. Cran, one only has to read your many postings in these forums to notice that you have been the first to say you are not the most consistent Zoner, both with your food choices and your numerous decisions to eat out of the Zone, even to the point of coining the term "OOZ". Most likely your style of zoning is at the root of you satiety difficulty, your self-described "slow-loser" status, and your overall disappointment with so many of the Zone products. I wish you all the best with your SuperZone food trial."


Ouch! That hurt!

I think that statement may be just a bit unfair. But, at least I am accountable, if I mess up a bit, I will admit it. And, I guess with fasting insulin levels consistently low (4.8 was my last one), that isn't any indication at all that I have hit the Zone?

Hi to Cranberrycat and to all Zoners,

Hitting the Zone and staying in it consistently are not the same thing. The bottom line is, to enjoy all the benefits of the Zone one has to consistently follow the Zone, both the prescribed diet and lifestyle, with close attention to all the aspects. The stricter one's adherence to the Zone, the better their result. To learn more about this, you can find discussion of it in Zone books and in articles written by Dave Shreck on the homepage of this site.

Perhaps that was a poor choice of words.

In order to keep one's fasting insulin level at (or below) zone ranges, as you and I do, it would take some staying in the Zone on a consistent basis.

Since we had been previously discussing the cost associated with the Superzone foods, I thought it would be fun to analyze how much the monthly cost is to be in the Superzone.

One month supply of Superzone meals: $280
One month supply of EicoRx fish oil: $50
One month supply of Sea Health Plus: $32
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Total monthly cost: $362

This is not including all of the other grocery items that are needed to supplement the Superzone foods.

For a family of 5, it would cost me $1810 to put everyone on the Superzone plan.

My children are now grown, and back when we were a family of 5 living at home, with all of the school expenses, I would not have been able to count it in our budget, either. However, even when I was on the Zone back when they were still living at home, they didn't follow the diet anyway. I was just lucky to get them to eat healthy meals at home with all of the poor choices available to them via school and/or friends gathering for a pizza or burgers, which I had no control over once they became teens.

Optimally, it would be great if we all did, too. Truth is, I am the only one who takes fish oil now, but we still eat basically the same things. Just that no one else is as careful about portion sizes as I am!! And, of course, a few modifications, sometimes they do like pasta or a sandwich. Well, I can feed them Dreamfields and I can give bread, and it isn't excessive. But, I would not be able to make the choice to sustain the entire family on Zone food for a month.