[color=darkred:407f6a495f]Do you have any IFOS consumer reports from IFOS testing done on the "consumer ready" product. I looked for it on the IFOS site but saw none. [/color:407f6a495f]

[quote:cb3c8cbb8b="TenthMan"] Regarding the "rest of the Omega-3" you asked about, they are in the forms of Omega 6s and 9s. [/quote:cb3c8cbb8b] The above explanation doesn't make sense. The remaining 85mg of omega-3s John inquired about is likely ALA. The remaining 40% of the 1000mg may be comprised of omega-6 and omega-9.

Also, TenthMan seems to be somewhat of a "rookie" regarding his knowledge of Fish Oils and Omega 3's... Still talking about the fact that people need to take half the pills to get the same amount we used to... I mean, this whole thread has been talking about the different 60% concentrates available and he is talking about how "revolutionary" his claimed but seemingly less than 60% concentrates are... Not here to diss him or his product but one thing is clear is that he is coming on these forums to make a pretty hard core sale of his own product not contributing any helpful info for the people... Moderators need to come in and correct the situation or at the very least educate TenthMan on how things work around here. TenthMan, Dr.Sears is a lipid researcher at the core and has been a pioneer in high concentration ultra purified FO for many years now and has his product tested by an independant 3rd party to verify the purity and concentration. I know his credentials speak for themselves. This whole thread is about finding pure sources that people can trust. The ones that seem to stand out as the best are Omega Rx and See Yourself Well both tested by Nutrasource*. Pat * I don't think that the See Yourself Well brand can be considered tested by a 3rd party because Nutrasource is also the main distributor of the See Yourself Brand which means they are testing their own product in the end... I still have a tendency to trust that it is a good product but not really 3rd party tested, more like self-tested...

Hi Pat, While I totally agree with you that the Sears Product and the See Yourself Well product are the highest quality, I must disagree with you about Nutrasource being the Main distributor of SYW I do believe that the clear conflict of interest to which you refer, related to the Clearwater brand. White Light. * I don't think that the See Yourself Well brand can be considered tested by a 3rd party because Nutrasource is also the main distributor of the See Yourself Brand which means they are testing their own product in the end... I still have a tendency to trust that it is a good product but not really 3rd party tested, more like self-tested...[/quote]

Know this forum is for the exchange of information, and not to promote ones own product. Links to other products will be removed. CN

WL, Clearwater is the old name for the SYW brand. They changed the name to See Yourself Well at around the same time they associated themselves with Dr.Barnard. Nutrasource (or NDI) distributed the Clearwater brand name and they now distribute the SYW brand name. It is the same product just with a different name. But you know this, don't you. There is not necessarily a conflict of interest but we definitely cannot say that it is 3rd party tested. It is self tested with results posted so people can see. There is no way at all to verify the results so this makes me think of a quote from one of my favorite movies: "I can get a good look at at T-bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass... but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it." I guess we need to take their word for it and I believe they are legit even with the possibility of a conflict of interest. This is just another reason for which Dr.Sears' Omega Rx is #1 in my books even though it may be a bit more expensive. Pat [quote:a89ba77648="White Light"] I must disagree with you about Nutrasource being the Main distributor of SYW I do believe that the clear conflict of interest to which you refer, related to the Clearwater brand. [/quote:a89ba77648]

[quote:9bd90a9457="itsallaboutbalance"]WL, ... but we definitely cannot say that it is 3rd party tested. It is self tested with results posted so people can see. There is no way at all to verify the results so this makes me think of a quote from one of my favorite movies: "I can get a good look at at T-bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass... but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it." I guess we need to take their word for it and I believe they are legit even with the possibility of a conflict of interest. [/quote:9bd90a9457] As such we have the same thing here for Natural Factors as we do for See Yourself Well. It is self-tested. And Natural Factors has reported their results. Therefore if I am to trust SYW, then I am also to trust NF for their results, which I do.

Hi Pat, .[quote:6ec4dcdc33] Clearwater is the old name for the SYW brand. They changed the name to See Yourself Well at around the same time they associated themselves with Dr.Barnard..[/quote:6ec4dcdc33] The Clearwater brand was owned by Clearwater fine foods and the SYW brand is owned by Dr. Barnard. and the Omega Rx brand is Owned By Dr. Sears . All are ONC produced products produced to the strictest quality control standards in the world.and tested under the IFOS program. .[quote:6ec4dcdc33] Nutrasource (or NDI) distributed the Clearwater brand name and they now distribute the SYW brand name. It is the same product just with a different name. But you know this, don't you..[/quote:6ec4dcdc33] The SYW product is distributed by a company Carla precludes me from nameing NOT NDI I can quote www.nutrasourse.ca or www.ifosprogram.com all day but the moment i mention the actual distributor that info gets deleted ! .[quote:6ec4dcdc33] This is just another reason for which Dr.Sears' Omega Rx is #1 in my books even though it may be a bit more expensive.[/quote:6ec4dcdc33] You will do well with this product it undergoes the identical INDEPENDENT testing that all the other listed products on IFOS undergo. It is a consistent high performer. I post only to correct your missconception that NDI is the SYW distributor They are the Independent tester for all International Fish oil standards and any other claimed testers lack credibility as any of the Sears people will gladly tell you. White Light

[quote:8ee448df94="White Light"] The Clearwater brand was owned by Clearwater fine foods and the SYW brand is owned by Dr. Barnard. and the Omega Rx brand is Owned By Dr. Sears . All are ONC produced products produced to the strictest quality control standards in the world.and tested under the IFOS program. The SYW product is distributed by a company Carla precludes me from nameing NOT NDI I can quote www.nutrasourse.ca or www.ifosprogram.com all day but the moment i mention the actual distributor that info gets deleted ! You will do well with this product it undergoes the identical INDEPENDENT testing that all the other listed products on IFOS undergo. It is a consistent high performer. I post only to correct your missconception that NDI is the SYW distributor They are the Independent tester for all International Fish oil standards and any other claimed testers lack credibility as any of the Sears people will gladly tell you. [/quote:8ee448df94] Short, sweet and factual bottom line: Nutrasource sells the See Yourself Well product and the IFOS program is run under the Nutrasource name as well, therefore NDI tests a product that they sell. Check the Nutrasource website and you can confirm what I am writing here. Again I am not saying that SYW is not what IFOS says it is. I believe it is a good product. But, Nutrasource sells SYW therefore at some point in the chain they are testing a product they are selling which could open the door to a conflict of interest as you put it. Pat

Hi Pat, I checked the website and can NOT find where they sell SYW Omega 3 !! or any other Omega 3 for that matter. You seem so sure yet I am more sure you are WRONG. Kindly provide the link where you can purchase SYW Omega 3 from NDI or publically admit your mistake. White LIght. P.S. Products at NDI Nutrasource Products Clinical Trial Consulting Health Canada Natural Product Number Applications I.F.O.S. Approvals Program Omega-3 Essential Fatty Acid Profile [quote:527e3974de] Nutrasource sells the See Yourself Well product and the IFOS program is run under the Nutrasource name as well, therefore NDI tests a product that they sell. Check the Nutrasource website and you can confirm what I am writing here. Again I am not saying that SYW is not what IFOS says it is. I believe it is a good product. But, Nutrasource sells SYW therefore at some point in the chain they are testing a product they are selling which could open the door to a conflict of interest as you put it. Pat[/quote:527e3974de]

[quote:955d80eeb5="White Light"] I checked the website and can NOT find where they sell SYW Omega 3 !! or any other Omega 3 for that matter. [/quote:955d80eeb5] Fine, they do not write it on their site anymore but anyone can call and do a little search and you [i:955d80eeb5]will[/i:955d80eeb5] find out that they sell the SYW product. [quote:955d80eeb5="White Light"] you seem so sure yet I am more sure you are WRONG Kindly provide the link where you can purchase SYW omega 3 from NDI or publically admit your mistake [/quote:955d80eeb5] White Light, don't start here. I will not continue on this thread with you WL. We all know your affinity for the SYW product and your friends. You defend SYW like it was your only child. You defend it without knowing the facts. You defend it even though I did not attack it. I do not "believe", I do not "think", I do not "assume" NDI sells SYW, I _know_ this for a 100% fact. I have nothing to gain here by inventing stuff or making stuff up. What would be my purpose in doing so? My purpose in these forums is to share information that people may want to know or to help people out... For anyone who may feel it is important to know this info, they can easily find out as well so no need to continue this. I did not attack your child WL. I am merely pointing out a [i:955d80eeb5]fact[/i:955d80eeb5]. NDI does not announce the sale of SYW product on the site but NDI does sell the SYW product. I believe them to be the principle distributor just like I believe it is a good product even though I know it is self tested. Pat

Easy fellas... Regardless of who sells what where and under what brand (OmegaRX, SYW, etc) Ocean Nutrition Canada makes the darn stuff. The only things to consider are price per omega-3, the form its delivered, and its IFOS rating. Everything else is nonsense.

[quote:8f24a9ceb2="Scott"] Regardless of who sells what where and under what brand (OmegaRX, SYW, etc) Ocean Nutrition Canada makes the darn stuff. The only things to consider are price per omega-3, the form its delivered, and its IFOS rating. Everything else is nonsense.[/quote:8f24a9ceb2] Scott, I have to very respectfully disagree. If we accept that IFOS is one of the important things to consider, then we need to consider the fact that the people who run IFOS also sell SYW. It really does not mean that ONC makes a sub-par product and NDI is falsifying the results to sell more... It kind of bugs me a little and does kind of open the door to a possible conflict of interest....... But as I said, I believe the SYW product is what they say it is and that it is good even though self tested at some point. Pat

Here are my views on 3 of the main products discussed in this thread: [u:50aa77b02c][b:50aa77b02c]Dr.Sears' Omega Rx[/b:50aa77b02c][/u:50aa77b02c]: This is to me the best product out there and the most trustworthy. Although, one of the more expensive ones. Dr.Sears sells many products and has all the research to back it up plus he has shown a very strong history of high regard for the health of the people and creating the highest quality products that on top of the fact that every batch made of this product is 3rd party tested with the information posted for all the world to see. I really trust his research, intentions and products bar none. Not to forget that he is the reason why we are here discussing this today. [u:50aa77b02c][b:50aa77b02c]See Yourself Well[/b:50aa77b02c][/u:50aa77b02c]: I believe that it is a good product and I have a tendency to trust this self tested product. I believe that for many reason including the ones mentioned in this thread that ONC makes it. It would seem easy to make the stuff and test it with the equipment NDI has. One of the reasons SYW is cheaper is because NDI who I believe to be the main distributor can test it at minimal cost since NDI owns the best equipment to do so... Another thing of note for the SYW product is that they do not sell contradictory products and in combination with NDI, they are very focused on Omega 3's and Omega 3 tests, etc.. We all know that Omega 3's are the most important supplement we can take so focusing on this most important one speaks well of NDI and the SYW product. Although the fact that they self test their product does not speak as well for them but I digress. [u:50aa77b02c][b:50aa77b02c]Natural Foactors RxOmega [/b:50aa77b02c][/u:50aa77b02c]: The facts and my insticts on that one make me less inclined to trust them... What are those facts? Proven previous false statements, very cheap price, they sell so many contracdictory products (Vitamin E with mixed tocopherols, Vit E with no mixed tocopherols, 60% Omega 3's, 30% Omega 3's, Omega 3-6-9, etc, etc...). They are abviously more concerned about selling as many products as possible and that in itself makes me doubt them a whole lot more along with the fact that they do not have 3rd party testing. Pat

[quote:0a33e4672d]Scott, I have to very respectfully disagree[/quote:0a33e4672d] Aw c'mon Pat--just tell me I'm full of it. :lol: [quote:0a33e4672d="itsallaboutbalance"] If we accept that IFOS is one of the important things to consider, then we need to consider the fact that the people who run IFOS also sell SYW.[/quote:0a33e4672d] While I can't confirm your assertion, from my perspective, its more important for the tester to be indepdendent of the [i:0a33e4672d]manufacturer[/i:0a33e4672d]. ONC has consistently acheived 5-star ratings regardless of who puts their name on the bottle, and they manufacture the [i:0a33e4672d]only[/i:0a33e4672d] fish oil ingredient to be verified by the US Pharmacopeia (USP) verification program, and the only one to be awarded a Drug Identification Number from Health Canada. That being said, when choosing a brand that meet the IFOS standards for concentration and purity, I look at other criteria--, the bioavailability of its molecular form, triglyceride positioning, price. Now IF in fact the tester does sell its own, and IF I didn't know the manufacturer, I'd feel as you do. At the present moment, my concerns are with the ethyl-ester form and affordability. [quote:0a33e4672d]One of the reasons SYW is cheaper is because NDI who I believe to be the main distributor can test it at minimal cost since NDI owns the best equipment to do so... [/quote:0a33e4672d] I don't think that's the reason because the IFOS testing is not a significant price tag for anyone wishing to have it done. Excellent summary of the brands by the way, though my rankings would be a bit different :wink:

Hi Pat, First you ask me to check their site to verify they sell it. Well I did and they dont, RIGHT ? (But I already knew that) Now you say call them and they will sell it. Of couse I know you are WRONG yet again. So why don't you call them youself and get the TRUTH. Clearly you realize I am very well informed on this topic so please do not blindly assume you know better, it is very obvious that you don't. You made a mistake. That's fine. Please make the call to verify what I say is TRUE and confirm this fact for the readers here. White Light. [quote:afb58af608="itsallaboutbalance"][quote:afb58af608="White Light"] I checked the website and can NOT find where they sell SYW Omega 3 !! or any other Omega 3 for that matter. [/quote:afb58af608] Fine, they do not write it on their site anymore but anyone can call and do a little search and you [i:afb58af608]will[/i:afb58af608] find out that they sell the SYW product. [quote:afb58af608="White Light"] you seem so sure yet I am more sure you are WRONG Kindly provide the link where you can purchase SYW omega 3 from NDI or publically admit your mistake [/quote:afb58af608] White Light, don't start here. I will not continue on this thread with you WL. We all know your affinity for the SYW product and your friends. You defend SYW like it was your only child. You defend it without knowing the facts. You defend it even though I did not attack it. I do not "believe", I do not "think", I do not "assume" NDI sells SYW, I _know_ this for a 100% fact. I have nothing to gain here by inventing stuff or making stuff up. What would be my purpose in doing so? My purpose in these forums is to share information that people may want to know or to help people out... For anyone who may feel it is important to know this info, they can easily find out as well so no need to continue this. I did not attack your child WL. I am merely pointing out a [i:afb58af608]fact[/i:afb58af608]. NDI does not announce the sale of SYW product on the site but NDI does sell the SYW product. I believe them to be the principle distributor just like I believe it is a good product even though I know it is self tested. Pat[/quote:afb58af608]

Hi Scott, [quote:61c6d8ec84="Scott"] Regardless of who sells what where and under what brand (OmegaRX, SYW, etc) Ocean Nutrition Canada makes the darn stuff.[/quote:61c6d8ec84] in Italy a company that partners with Sears sells a co-branded Omega 3RX product. They claim it is the same product SearsLabs sell in the US, and they don't have it tested indipendently for that reason. This product seems not to be produced by ONC, though, but by DSM Nutritionals. Given that it is compulsory in the EU to state the origin of the fish oil on the product label, it writes "UK", another reason to think it is not ONC's product. It has the same characteristics of the ROPUFAn-3 75EE https://www.nutraaccess.com/productDoc/pds/pds_5002494.pdf Any ideas?

[quote:027bf41fc7="Gent"]in Italy a company that partners with Sears sells a co-branded Omega 3RX product. They claim it is the same product SearsLabs sell in the US, and they don't have it tested indipendently for that reason. This product seems not to be produced by ONC, though, but by DSM Nutritionals. Given that it is compulsory in the EU to state the origin of the fish oil on the product label, it writes "UK", another reason to think it is not ONC's product. It has the same characteristics of the ROPUFAn-3 75EE Any ideas?[/quote:027bf41fc7] Hey Gent- Although ONC is the world's largest Omega-3 manufacturer and largest provider of concentrated omega-3s for the North American market, certainly others have gotten in the game. Dr. Weil's IFOS product is Roche Vitamin's (DSM Nutritional Products) concentrated omega-3 (ROPUFA)--and it appears you are correct regarding the relationship between ZoneLabs and DSM. http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templa...cleid=5754

Hi all! Dr.Sears' Omega Rx is now available for delivery in Canada! You can just order it and it will be delivered to your door! Just an FYI Pat

I get mine from Life Extension and they ship to canada no problem. They are listed on the IFOS site now and have a great product for about 30-50% less than other fish oils.

Thanks!

I just had chicken livers for dinner...I feel great!

What did you have?

Thanks.

Best to take it easy with organ consumption, even better to pass on them altogether. They contain a lot of AA which increase cellular inflammation. And, I used to love chicken livers until I learned this.

For dinner tonight I had big bowl of raspberry soup: frozen raspberries thawed and slightly crushed, unsweetened low carbohydrate soy milk, Zone protein powder, almond butter, fresh squeezed lemon juice and for seasoning a little bit of agave, alcohol free vanilla and nutmeg. Delicious!