Hello, I was on Atkinsdietalert.org today and notice that they list The Zone in a high protein diet and when i was reading the book The Week IN the Zone it said it wasnt a high protein diet because of the balance but it kinda scares me when they were talking about the people who died of high protein/low carb diets has anyone ever exsperienced negative things while on the ZOne or a high protein/low cabr diet? Thanks

Protein as 30% of the calories in your diet. That's high? If you're really concerned, you can buy ketostix at pharmacies (including Wal-Mart), to test your urine. In Mastering the Zone, you can read about how to alter the ratios, based on your feelings of fullness and alertness. One of the Zone's great attributes is that it gives you [b:7b51d89c35]a reliable way of tracking both macronutrients and calories[/b:7b51d89c35]. Even if you gravitate more toward carbs, or protein, or fat, you truly know what you're consuming. I think other diets don't help you track macronutrients accurately at their foundation. If they present recipes with macronutrient ratios, they're paying tribute to the Zone for setting the standard. Best, Charile

Thank you i have always known the zone as a safe WOE but i wasnt sure if it was high protein or not because it says something in the USDA thing that like 10-15% should be proetin (or was that fat??) Oh well thanks again

[quote:2e09c2a940]but i wasnt sure if it was high protein or not because it says something in the USDA thing that like 10-15% should be proetin (or was that fat??)[/quote:2e09c2a940] On a gram for gram basis the amount of protein recommended on the Zone is consistent with the recommendations made by the majority of nutritionists. What the critics fail to realize is that with the Zone, you are eating roughly 40% less calories so the the % of calories from protein goes up: USDA calories for the average female: 2000 15% protein = 300calories / 4cal per gram = 75g of protein Zone protein blocks for the average female: 11 11 blocks x 7g per block = 77g of protein. If there is a report of someone dying from a high protein/low carb diet--it was likely not due to the amount of protein-- I would say it was due to too few carbs causing an extreme potassium deficiency. People are desperate to lose body fat--its not inconceivable that someone was avoiding ALL carbohydrate (which to my knowledge no diet plan out there recommends) and still pounding the treadmill two hours a day.

What Scott says about the Zone compared to USDA recommendations of daily protein intake is true. Just remember the USDA approves of its Food Pyramid, with its 75% bread and pasta. It's understandable to be alarmed by some internet sites. You did the right thing by asking this Forum. These folks know what's what. If you are concerned about anything else, don't hesitate to ask.

Scott, Excellent answer. I knew the recommendations were roughly the same (size and thickness of one's palm) but never bothered to figure out the numbers. Now I have backup information for numbers people. Thank you! Robbin

Scott wrote: USDA calories for the average female: 2000 15% protein = 300calories / 4cal per gram = 75g of protein Zone protein blocks for the average female: 11 11 blocks x 7g per block = 77g of protein. [b:dd473e22e9]Is this daily or per meal???[/b:dd473e22e9] From the web site : [b:dd473e22e9]Zone meals without measuring[/b:dd473e22e9] 1. A typical protein serving fits in the palm of your hand and is no thicker. For most females, this equals 3 oz. of protein, and for most males 4 oz. (Zone snacks usually contain 1 oz. pf protein for both women and men). At first a kitchen scale may be useful to measure the protein which you can soon eyeball at home, restaurants, or on the go. from http://www.onlineconversion.com/weight.htm 3 ounce = 85.0485694 gram This appears to me to be 85gms (or 77gms ) of protein PER MEAL Now I'm really confused. H E L P!! Top

2000 calories is definitely per day. On zone it's closer to 1100-1300 calories per day. I remember trying harder to eat 11 servings of grains a day thinking that was my problem. AS IF! Too tired to respond to the rest... maybe later. :wink: Ronica

[quote:e44da5b42a="TopBoffin"]Scott wrote: USDA calories for the average female: 2000 15% protein = 300calories / 4cal per gram = 75g of protein Zone protein blocks for the average female: 11 11 blocks x 7g per block = 77g of protein. [b:e44da5b42a]Is this daily or per meal???[/b:e44da5b42a] [/quote:e44da5b42a] Don't worry, it is daily. 11 blocks of (7g) protein, 11 blocks of (9g) carbs and 11 blocks of (3g) fat every day. :wink: [quote:e44da5b42a] From the web site : [b:e44da5b42a]Zone meals without measuring[/b:e44da5b42a] 1. A typical protein serving fits in the palm of your hand and is no thicker. For most females, this equals 3 oz. of protein, and for most males 4 oz. (Zone snacks usually contain 1 oz. pf protein for both women and men). At first a kitchen scale may be useful to measure the protein which you can soon eyeball at home, restaurants, or on the go. from http://www.onlineconversion.com/weight.htm 3 ounce = 85.0485694 gram This appears to me to be 85gms (or 77gms ) of protein PER MEAL Now I'm really confused. H E L P!! [/quote:e44da5b42a] Now, this means how much of something containing protein you need; for example, chicken. You need 3 or 4 oz of chicken to get 3 or 4 blocks of protein. Let's see, [b:e44da5b42a]chicken breast, raw (100g)[/b:e44da5b42a]: 103 kcal, 23.1g protein, 0 g carbs, 1 g fat. As you can see, you need approximately 100g of raw chicken brest to get 3*7g=21g of protein. When you fry or cook the chicken, the weight is somewhat less than 100g. The nutritional values for [b:e44da5b42a]chicken breast fried in vegetable oil, without skin are[/b:e44da5b42a]: 162 kcal, 27.8g protein, 5.5g fat. This equals 4 blocks of protein and 2 blocks of fat (27.8g/7g=3.97 blocks of protein, 5.5g/3g=1.83 blocks of fat).

[quote:f3ec1b82c0="angelrob"]Scott, Excellent answer. I knew the recommendations were roughly the same (size and thickness of one's palm) but never bothered to figure out the numbers. Now I have backup information for numbers people. Thank you! Robbin[/quote:f3ec1b82c0] Glad I was able to help :)

[quote:d85f1f6640="HaveTriedEverything"]Hello, I was on Atkinsdietalert.org today and notice that they list The Zone in a high protein diet and when i was reading the book The Week IN the Zone it said it wasnt a high protein diet because of the balance but it kinda scares me when they were talking about the people who died of high protein/low carb diets has anyone ever exsperienced negative things while on the ZOne or a high protein/low cabr diet? Thanks[/quote:d85f1f6640] Atkinsdietalert.org was set up by the group Physicians Council for Responsible Medicince (PCRM). This group appears to be more concerned with animal rights than human health--notice how they don't ever talk of the dangers of high carbohydrate diets? Nothing wrong with being a stand for animal rights--but don't start hiding behind the veil of medicine and nutrition where the only science that is accepted is that which suppoprts the real agenda.

Well, after visiting that site and finding the American Heart Association paper on "high protein" diets, I can see how they say that the Zone is high protein. They define "high" strictly by percentages, regardless of volume. It seems to be a good definition to support their agenda as you said, Scott. As a pretty healthy vegetarian who has steadily gained a few pounds each year, I can testify to the invalidity of a vegetarian diet keeping one thin. Maybe thinner than the meat eating population, but in the US where over half of the population is overweight and a huge number obese, that's not a great goal :shock: It seems that the big drawback (according to them) about the Zone was that it was hard to follow the combinations and was lacking copper. Now what food gives you copper that you don't eat on the Zone???? Having lost weight, lost heart palpatations, lost cholesterol counts, and gained energy and vitality, I'm sticking with the Zone lifestyle and to heck with the AHA, USDA, FDA and whoever else is supporting that unbalanced pyramid they're brainwashing us with!!! *Sigh*, those flat earth people! :lol: