And the more carbohydrates you eat, the more insulin you produce. And the more insulin you produce, the fatter you become. I obtained the above text from an email subscription from DrSears.com My question is, to whoever is qualified to answer, when I drink coffee I am producing insulin aren't I? Could this statement also be construed to mean the more coffee you drink the fatter you become? Jason

[quote:8b18d2e721="jsteng21"]And the more carbohydrates you eat, the more insulin you produce. And the more insulin you produce, the fatter you become. I obtained the above text from an email subscription from DrSears.com My question is, to whoever is qualified to answer, when I drink coffee I am producing insulin aren't I? Could this statement also be construed to mean the more coffee you drink the fatter you become? Jason[/quote:8b18d2e721] Hi Jason, While I might non put it into exactly the same terms you have, I have read that the by-products of the metabolism of caffeine can cause elevated insulin. Sue

The study cited below determined that drinking coffee that is not filtered through paper is [i:4b30a507d4]the most[/i:4b30a507d4] effective way to elevate blood cholesterol. [url]http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abs...;/url] And lest you think paper-filtered coffee is all that good for you: [url]http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abs...;/url]

How long has it been since Dr.Sears delved into the caffeine issue? :roll: Maybe Dr.Sears should update his scientific theories or do more testing. :!: NEW YORK DAILY NEWS January 6, 2004 :idea: :D :D [i:5c470e1741] A huge new study shows that heavy coffee-drinking can significantly lower your risk of developing diabetes, Harvard researchers revealed yesterday. Men who drank six cups of java or more a day were half as likely to get the disease as nondrinkers, of coffee, the study found. Women had 30% less risk. Three or four cups a day had a lesser benefit, cutting the risk of diabetes by about 20%. [b:5c470e1741][color=red:5c470e1741] "The more coffee people drink, the more benefit they will get," said lead author Dr. Frank Hu of the Harvard School of Public Health.[/b:5c470e1741][/color:5c470e1741] Published yesterday in the Annals of Internal Medicine, the study examined the self-reported health and diet records of 126,210 medical professionals for 12 to 18 years. The survey corroborates a smaller study reported last year by Dutch scientists, making researchers confident in the results. Decaf provided more modest benefits, while tea had no impact on diabetes risk, the study found. Researchers are not sure why coffee appears to ward off diabetes, but speculate its antioxidants and magnesium may help lower blood-sugar levels.[/i:5c470e1741] [color=red:5c470e1741][b:5c470e1741]Also, concerning low calorie dieting:[/b:5c470e1741][/color:5c470e1741] :arrow: Dr.Sears Zone program is still following research studies[b:5c470e1741][color=red:5c470e1741] from the 1950s[/b:5c470e1741][/color:5c470e1741] conducted by Kekwick and Pawan at the Middlesex Hospital in London and diets consisting of 1,000 calories per day. All patients lost substantial weight on a high protein (90 percent of calories) diet, high fat (90 percent of calories) diet, and mixed (42 percent of calories as carbohydrate) diets, but most patients actually gained weight on a high carbohydrate (90 percent of calories) diet. Cutting back on calories without gaining access to your hormonal ATM card is a surefire prescription for deprivation, constant hunger, and fatigue. Any time you reduce calories, you will lose some weight, but eventually you hit a hormonal plateau where the weight loss (and more importantly, fat loss) stops, but feelings of hunger, deprivation, and fatigue continue. The Zone Diet is not a diet; it’s a hormonal control program that allows you to optimize your quality of life. But I think research from 50 years ago is outdated. :roll:

[quote:45cadb2df2="tubarao"]How long has it been since Dr.Sears delved into the caffeine issue? :roll: Maybe Dr.Sears should update his scientific theories or do more testing. :!: NEW YORK DAILY NEWS January 6, 2004 :idea: :D :D [i:45cadb2df2] A huge new study shows that heavy coffee-drinking can significantly lower your risk of developing diabetes, Harvard researchers revealed yesterday. Men who drank six cups of java or more a day were half as likely to get the disease as nondrinkers, of coffee, the study found. Women had 30% less risk. Three or four cups a day had a lesser benefit, cutting the risk of diabetes by about 20%. [b:45cadb2df2][color=red:45cadb2df2] "The more coffee people drink, the more benefit they will get," said lead author Dr. Frank Hu of the Harvard School of Public Health.[/b:45cadb2df2][/color:45cadb2df2] Published yesterday in the Annals of Internal Medicine, the study examined the self-reported health and diet records of 126,210 medical professionals for 12 to 18 years. The survey corroborates a smaller study reported last year by Dutch scientists, making researchers confident in the results. Decaf provided more modest benefits, while tea had no impact on diabetes risk, the study found. Researchers are not sure why coffee appears to ward off diabetes, but speculate its antioxidants and magnesium may help lower blood-sugar levels.[/i:45cadb2df2] [/quote:45cadb2df2] Aware of that study, but my experience is opposite--my insulin levels rise. What I question is whether or not the reduced risk comes from what people are NOT drinking instead (ie, its my observation that those who don't drink coffe are usually drinking soda). [quote:45cadb2df2] [color=red:45cadb2df2][b:45cadb2df2]Also, concerning low calorie dieting:[/b:45cadb2df2][/color:45cadb2df2] :arrow: Dr.Sears Zone program is still following research studies[b:45cadb2df2][color=red:45cadb2df2] from the 1950s[/b:45cadb2df2][/color:45cadb2df2] conducted by Kekwick and Pawan at the Middlesex Hospital in London and diets consisting of 1,000 calories per day. All patients lost substantial weight on a high protein (90 percent of calories) diet, high fat (90 percent of calories) diet, and mixed (42 percent of calories as carbohydrate) diets, but most patients actually gained weight on a high carbohydrate (90 percent of calories) diet. Cutting back on calories without gaining access to your hormonal ATM card is a surefire prescription for deprivation, constant hunger, and fatigue. Any time you reduce calories, you will lose some weight, but eventually you hit a hormonal plateau where the weight loss (and more importantly, fat loss) stops, but feelings of hunger, deprivation, and fatigue continue. The Zone Diet is not a diet; it’s a hormonal control program that allows you to optimize your quality of life. But I think research from 50 years ago is outdated. :roll:[/quote:45cadb2df2] Doesn't mean the research is wrong--it shows that a calorie is not a calorie when it comes to the hormonal effects of food. I find that the better I control insulin, the less I need to eat. When I don't control insulin, I'm always hungry. Without balancing insulin and glucagon to ensure an adequate supply of glucose to the brain between meals, you will experience the cravings that lead to overeating. Adam, care to elaborate on the thermodynamics of food intake?

[quote:1178959060] Just exactly how do you measure your insulin levels after drinking coffee, Scott :?: [/quote:1178959060] Its not the ingestion of caffeine that raises insulin levels, but the breakdown of. Numerous studies show the relationship between caffeine and insulin resistance: Keijzers Gerben, et al "Caffeine can decrease insulin sensitivity in humans" Diabetes Care 25:364-369,2002 Thong, FS et al "Caffeine-induced impairment of insulin action but not insulin signaling in human skeletal muscle is reduced by exercise" Diabetes 2002 Mar;51(3):583-90 [quote:1178959060]Just exactly how do you measure your insulin to know whether or not you are controlling it :?: [/quote:1178959060] Increased hunger between meals. Increased skin inflammation. Increase in cholesterol levels. All signs of increasing insulin levels. The brain needs a continuous supply of glucose to function properly. Increased cravings of carbohydrate are evidence of inadequate glucose to the brain--if the brain isn't getting from the liver it will get it in other ways [quote:1178959060]Are you not simply repeating what you have read and what you have heard :?:[/quote:1178959060] Classic biology and biochemistry. I have been doing this for five years--I know exactly the effects caffiene has on my biochemistry. [quote:1178959060]So if Adam elaborates on the thermodynamics of food intake, you will assume this is scientifically relative to your personal insulin profile :?: [/quote:1178959060] No, his analysis will show that not everyone buys the calorie is a calorie approach to health. [quote:1178959060]And Dr.Sears states anyone who starts the Zone will feel energized after a few short days and everyone's mind then tells them they are energized. Then a month later they wonder why they are not energized any longer not realizing their mind played tricks on them from the start :roll: :roll: :roll:[/quote:1178959060] What evidence can you show me that the increase in energy is a state of mind. [quote:1178959060]Why do so many post that they have fallen afer being on this diet for so long :?: [/quote:1178959060] I cannot comment on anothers experience, only my own. Stress of modern society would be one explanation. Increases in cortisol can increase insulin levels setting up the cycle again. [quote:1178959060]Hasn't it been repeated over and over that no diet works over a long period of time and most people gain back what they have lost :?: [/quote:1178959060] Most people gain the weight back because they focus on calorie reduction without insulin control. [quote:1178959060]This zone diet is no different. It only works as long as people believe it is working. When they get tired of fooling themselves and admit the truth, the weight comes back.[/quote:1178959060] The weight comes back when they no longer control insulin. [quote:1178959060]Most, I repeat "most" overeating is caused by an addiction to food or a love of food, not the so-called glucogon theory. [/quote:1178959060] When blood glucose levels decrease between meals, the liver secretes glucose into the blood. The breakdown of liver glycogen is stimulated by glucagon. Insulin secretion inhibits the secretion of glucagon. (Raven, Johnson "Biology" Sixth Edition McGraw-Hill NY,NY.) Thus, if blood sugar is not maintained via the liver due to increased concentrations of insulin, it is maintained by other means (glucogenesis, increase cravings for external glucose) I [quote:1178959060]And the best way to stop overeating is by sheer will power, not by following Sears nearly impossible plan. :lol:[/quote:1178959060] That's funning. When I follow the principles, it doesn't take will power at all. Only when I leave the Zone for too long does it require will power to avoid overeating. [quote:1178959060]Why, after all these years that the zone has been around, isn't it more popular than it is :?: If it's so good, why isn't it more popular, honestly :?:[/quote:1178959060] Any low-glycemic plan bascially follows Zone principles, whether its called the Zone or not. [quote:1178959060]Most everything Sears teaches has been taught for many years before Sears, but Sears puts a new twist on it :wink:[/quote:1178959060] Interesting. So you agree with low dietary glyemic load eating. I've missed you Rich :wink:

[quote:e9cafba19f] That's funning. When I follow the principles, it doesn't take will power at all. Only when I leave the Zone for too long does it require will power to avoid overeating. [/quote:e9cafba19f] I have the same experience as you, but remember that many people who overeat do so for reasons other than simply to satisfy physical hunger. Compulsive binge eaters don't stuff themselves uncomfortably full just because their blood glucose is low, certainly... it's a cognitive/behavioral problem, and it takes more than a low glycemic load diet to correct.

[quote:8002252e7d] That's funning. When I follow the principles, it doesn't take will power at all. Only when I leave the Zone for too long does it require will power to avoid overeating.[/quote:8002252e7d] Do you actually believe that others should expect to have the same reactions as you :?: :roll: :roll: [quote:8002252e7d] I have the same experience as you, but remember that many people who overeat do so for reasons other than simply to satisfy physical hunger. Compulsive binge eaters don't stuff themselves uncomfortably full just because their blood glucose is low, certainly... it's a cognitive/behavioral problem, and it takes more than a low glycemic load diet to correct.[/quote:8002252e7d]

[quote:fc25746667] I have the same experience as you, but remember that many people who overeat do so for reasons other than simply to satisfy physical hunger. Compulsive binge eaters don't stuff themselves uncomfortably full just because their blood glucose is low, certainly... it's a cognitive/behavioral problem, and it takes more than a low glycemic load diet to correct.[/quote:fc25746667] Agree with you completely Brian. I was only responding to the generalization that its all will power. However, exceptions aside, the obesity "epidemic" we have is not behavorial or a matter of will power, its the hormonal consequences of the food we eat.

[quote="tubarao"][quote:b7307b4d88] Do you actually believe that others should expect to have the same reactions as you :?: :roll: :roll: [/quote:b7307b4d88] Of course not, Rich. Anymore so than you can say its all will power. PS. My wife prefers the peanut butter cups over the fudge. :wink:

Hi Rich... Out of curiousity... Have you fallen out of the Zone and are now gaining back weight? And...if the Zone principles are so impossible to follow as you state, then I assume you've now taken a different path and have abandoned your various websites where you preach Zone principles? Hey...how are the boys doing?