:o Was looking through a low carb recipe book and it lists all the "per serving" info. Just wondering if this would be ok? Per serving: 285 cal 8 g pro 25 g carb 17 g fat 10 g sat fat 65 mg chol 1 g fiber 250 mg sodium would this be more like a 3 block?

[quote:e10439ca6c="cutieshirl40"]:o Was looking through a low carb recipe book and it lists all the "per serving" info. Just wondering if this would be ok? Per serving: 285 cal 8 g pro 25 g carb 17 g fat 10 g sat fat 65 mg chol 1 g fiber 250 mg sodium would this be more like a 3 block?[/quote:e10439ca6c] Hi, No, not really. :( That would be 1 block P, 2 1/2 C, and way, wayyyyy over on the fat. You could eat some additional protein with it if you really want to eat that cheesecake, but there'd still be too much extra fat for it to be Zoned. Sue

[quote:efc6d225d1="Slknorr"][quote:efc6d225d1="cutieshirl40"]:o Was looking through a low carb recipe book and it lists all the "per serving" info. Just wondering if this would be ok?[/quote:efc6d225d1] Hi, No, not really. :( Sue[/quote:efc6d225d1] Or. since ZONE is guilt free, and you're only one meal away from getting back in ZONE. Why not indulge with real NY Style Cheesecake, enjoy, and get back into Zone at next meal? That's what I really love about the Zone, I could have a real beer, a full 12 oz now and then, and not worry about it. Esp. now that i'mnearly down to maintenmance weight. :lol:

Hi Cutishirl40! As others have posted, I also occasionally enjoy something that's no-where near the zone...and it's guilt free (I love that part! :D) because I know I can and will go right back to eating in the zone with my next meal or snack. However, if you want cheesecake without going quite so far out of the zone, there are some fantastically good recipes for cheesecake in a book called "The Formula: A Personalized 40-30-30 Weight Loss Program" by Gene and Joyce Daoust. I've now made four of them and each was very very good. Even those not following the zone or a 40-30-30 diet (similar to but not the same as the zone) thought these recipes were very good and begged for the recipes. My favorite of the four is as follows and a close second was the Pumpkin Mousse Cheesecake I posted previously under the thread "Autumn Edibles" within this same (Cooking Tips) section of this forum. Marble Cheesecake 2 cups 2% lowfat cottage cheese 4 ounces Philadelphia Brand 1/3 Less Fat Cream Cheese 4 ounces Philadelphia Brand Fat Free Cream Cheese 3 eggs 3/4 cup granulated fructose 1 tsp vanilla 1.5 tsp lemon juice 1/4 tsp salt 40 grams of pure whey protein powder 3 Tbsp. unsweetened cocoa powder 1/2 teaspoon instant espresso powder or instant coffee 3 Tbsp. water 2 sheets chocolate graham crackers (5 X 2.5 inches per sheet) 1 Tbsp butter, melted Preheat oven to 325 F Spray a 9-inch round cake pan with nonstick spray and place a 9-inch parchment or waxed paper round in bottom of pan. In a food processor, blend cottage cheese for 2 to 3 minutes until smooth. Add cream cheese and blend 30 seconds. Add eggs, fructose, vanilla, lemon juice, and salt until well blended. Add whey protein and pulse until smooth; scrape sides and blend again. In a small bowl, mix cocoa powder, espresso powder, and water until smooth. Add 1 cup of the cheesecake batter and mix to make chocolate batter. Pour half of the remaining cheesecake batter into the prepared pan. Slowly pour the chocolate batter into center of the pan, then add the remaining plain batter in center of the chocolate. This should have formed a chocolate ring. Using a knife, make circular strokes to marbleize the batter. Place a pan with 1 inch of hot water on the bottom rack of the oven. Bake cake at 325 F for 40-50 minutes on the center rack until the center of the cake barely jiggles when the cake is shaken. While the cake is still hot, carefully run a knife between the cake and pan rim, then refrigerate uncovered until cool, about two hours. Unmold the cake and remove the parchment paper from bottom. Return to a serving platter. Combine graham cracker crumbs and melted butter. Using a knife, press the crumbs around the sides of the cake. Cover and refrigerate for at least 6 to 12 hours before serving. Cake can be stored covered with plastic wrap for up to 10 days, or frozen. Makes 12 servings. Per slice: 160 calories; Grams = 17g carb, 12 g protein, 5 grams fat The recipe is a little complicated to say the least but the end result is amazing. The recipe does include some unfavorable ingredients but this cheesecake recipe could get you closer to the zone than the first one you referred to at the beginning of this thread. By the way, the Pumpkin Mousse Cheesecake is a much easier recipe to make and was very very good! Michelle (yikerzikers) was actually over at my house for dinner Halloween night for that one! You can ask her too! Happy Zoning! :-) Donna (starz)

IT WAS GOOD!! :lol: Michelle

[quote:76dfd2819b="starz"] 4 ounces Philadelphia Brand 1/3 Less Fat Cream Cheese 4 ounces Philadelphia Brand Fat Free Cream Cheese 2 sheets chocolate graham crackers (5 X 2.5 inches per sheet) [/quote:76dfd2819b] Hi Donna! I think it is time for a weekend treat - it is Father's day (at least in Finland it is...). I would like to try this cheesecake, but the ingredients above are unknown to me. :shock: Could you (or someone here) please give details on these products so that I can find substitutes for them. How much fat, protein and carbs is there in these cheeses? What about the crackers, are they covered with chocolate, or are there chocolate chips inside? Perhaps just a chocolate flavor? Are they like digestives? Like crispbread? Like LU Tuc(if that brand is sold there)? :?: Thanks for sending this recipe. The book sounds interesting! -Satu-

Dear Satu- Graham crackers are like animal crackers or Nilla wafers, do you have those? They are a vanilla flavored cookie/cracker. The chocolate ones are just flavored, not coated or chips in them. I think that they also resemble cookies that they make here for toddlers/young kids. They are only slightly sweet/flavored and a cross between a cookie and a cracker. I may be remembering totally incorrectly, but didn't someone say that cream cheese is sort of like quark??? The ingredients on my tub of "whipped" cream cheese say: pasteurized milk, cream, and skim milk, cheese culture, salt, whey protein concentrate, stabilizers, sorbic acid as a preservative. It normally comes in a soft "brick" form, wrapped in foil and then boxed. If also comes whipped and in a tub for easier spreading. Maybe we could ship you some :) We are the "dairy state" here in Wisconsin. I can't imagine it would be that expensive. (Maybe I just don't have a clue) I don't think you'd have it for the weekend, though :( I'd be willing to give it a try if you are curious... Hope this helps Michelle

[quote:6cb7ca0b5c]starz wrote: 4 ounces Philadelphia Brand 1/3 Less Fat Cream Cheese 4 ounces Philadelphia Brand Fat Free Cream Cheese 2 sheets chocolate graham crackers (5 X 2.5 inches per sheet) Hi Donna! I think it is time for a weekend treat - it is Father's day (at least in Finland it is...). I would like to try this cheesecake, but the ingredients above are unknown to me. Could you (or someone here) please give details on these products so that I can find substitutes for them. How much fat, protein and carbs is there in these cheeses? What about the crackers, are they covered with chocolate, or are there chocolate chips inside? Perhaps just a chocolate flavor? Are they like digestives? Like crispbread? Like LU Tuc(if that brand is sold there)? Thanks for sending this recipe. The book sounds interesting! -Satu- [/quote:6cb7ca0b5c] Hello Satu-- I think Michelle gave you some good answers describing the ingredients. The chocolate graham crackers that I use are typically flat rectangles of (as Michelle said) a cross between a cookie and a cracker. These rectangles (5 x 2.5 inches per sheet) have perforations in them so that you can easily break them apart into smaller rectangles. The typical graham cracker here is as I described but light brown in color and "graham" in flavor...sorry I don't know how else to describe the flavor...the chocolate ones are much darker color (more like dark chocolate) and have a chocolate flavor. With this recipe, you could actually probably just leave these ingredients out. The crushed graham crackers (carb) are mixed with a small amount of butter (fat) and added in small amount areound the edge of the cheesecake. Per slice, it probably doesn't make a huge amount of difference...? just eat a couple of nuts with it instead of the butter for fat and have a little less carb in the recipe... Re: the Philadelphia Brand Cream Cheese, I have been trying to find the nutrition facts on it somewhere on-line...I don't happen to have any in my refridgerator at the moment...all I could find was the macronutrients for the fat free type (in a food counter book I have). The fat free kind is 2g carb, 4g pro, and 0g fat per ounce. I don't know what quark is or what other ingredient you may have which could compare. Cream cheese is as Michelle described and is a soft, very mild flavored cheese similar to neufchatel (actually, I think the 1/3 less fat cream cheese listed was a neufchatel if I'm remembering correctly). It's white in color with a delicious creamy flavor. Good luck to you, Satu! :D Donna (starz)

[quote:6b15c52ba2="starz"] ... there are some fantastically good recipes for cheesecake in a book called "The Formula: A Personalized 40-30-30 Weight Loss Program" by Gene and Joyce Daoust. ... Happy Zoning! :-) Donna (starz)[/quote:6b15c52ba2] I noticed there are several books. Do you know which one has more recipes, more of a cookbook, and less extraneous text? (From BookSearch which became Deal Time which became Shopping.com which merged with epinions.com & all for the better.) You found 9 titles matching "Daoust" in Author Name only The Formula: A 14-Day Plan to Burn Fat, Build Muscle & Look, Feel & Perform Better By: Gene Daoust · Joyce Daoust See Product Details $6-$24 The Formula: A Personalized 40-30-30 Fat-Burning Nutrition Program By: Gene Daoust Product Rating: Read 1 Epinions review See Product Details $8-$15 40-30-30 Fat Burning Nutrition: The Dietary Hormonal Connection to Permanent Weight Loss & Better Health By: Gene Daoust · Joyce Daoust Product Rating: Read 1 Epinions review See Product Details $12-$17 Formula 101: Mastering 40-30-30 Nutrition for Life By: Joyce Daoust See Product Details $5-$22 Formula 101: Maintaining 40-30-30 Nutrition for a Lifetime By: Gene Daoust See Product Details An e-Pinion on The Formula: A Personalized 40-30-30 Fat-Burning Nutrition Program By: Gene Daoust: (notice - not Gene and Joyce?) Pros: Well written, simple to understand, and simple to put into action. Cons: It *is* still a diet; no more Big Macs, Super-size fries and chocolate shakes... The Bottom Line: This is an absolute must-read. You will not regret it, if you truly follow it. Full Review Gene and Joyce Daoust, a married couple, co-authored this book. This is the second book in a series of three written by the Daousts so far. It is also the best of the three, in my opinion. If I were to choose only one of the books, this would be the one. It offers all of the basic principles of 40-30-30 eating, plus encouraging stories and a more thorough breakdown of eating plans than the first book. Instead of offering only four plans (depending on size and activity level) it offers a more realistic five. The Daousts have an extensive background in fitness and nutrition. They've worked with professional athletes, housewives, the elderly, and the young. After many years of research, both their own and that of others, they came up with a way of life called 40-30-30 nutrition. The basic idea of 40-30-30 nutrition is that 40% of your calories come from carbohydrates, 30% come from protein, and 30% come from fat. Simply put, they attest that anyone who eats a diet that is "balanced" (as the book refers to this method of eating) can lose excess weight, become healthier, and feel fantastic. The book explains that this way of eating can help diabetics, high blood pressure, and even childhood hyperactivity. Not only does the book say eating this way can help, but it also explains WHY it helps. All of these things are logically explained in lay terms that are easy to understand without sounding too simplistic. Recipes are included in this book. All are quite simply prepared, and most have been popular with everyone in my family, kids included. There are lists in this book that break down many different foods into the 40-30-30 categories to make it simple to create your own balanced meals. Even fast food restaurant choices and frozen entrees are listed. A major part of 40-30-30 is glycemic rating. This is the table used for diabetics that shows how quickly a carbohydrate is metabolized within the body. The lower the glycemic rating, the slower a food alters the body's normal blood sugar levels. When blood sugar levels are steady, hunger is controlled naturally, and proteins and fats are better utilized by the body. This facilitates weight loss as well as overall physical health. 40-30-30 is safe for nearly everyone, including nursing mothers. Not many weight loss programs can make this statement. Because there are five different levels of eating plans, extra calories needed for the body to produce breastmilk are easily added. When writing this review, coming up with a 'con' for this book was difficult. It's got all of the qualities that constitute a well-written book in my opinion. While fast food can still be enjoyed on this eating plan, it's just not quite as simple as it is without being on the plan. For example, a person who's not eating 40-30-30 might order a large sandwich, large fries, and a large shake. This doesn't constitute a 'balanced' meal according to 40-30-30. A 40-30-30 meal might look more like this: A regular sandwich featuring meat and no cheese, a side salad with low fat dressing, and a diet soda or water. Does it work? I followed this plan myself for just over a month and lost 21 pounds without exercising. I was energetic, and I started to feel more mentally alert. My caffeine cravings disappeared. I wholeheartedly recommend this book to anyone who wants to lose weight. I highly recommend this book to anyone who simply wants to feel a bit better than they do right now.

[quote:65c3a19b46="yikerszikers"]Graham crackers are like animal crackers or Nilla wafers, do you have those? [/quote:65c3a19b46] :shock: ...never heard of them... :shock: [quote:65c3a19b46] I may be remembering totally incorrectly, but didn't someone say that cream cheese is sort of like quark??? [/quote:65c3a19b46] OK, I will then substitute quark for fat free cream cheese. We do have a cream cheese with 13% fat - maybe that is something like 1/3 less fat cream cheese. [quote:65c3a19b46] Maybe we could ship you some We are the "dairy state" here in Wisconsin. I can't imagine it would be that expensive. (Maybe I just don't have a clue) I don't think you'd have it for the weekend, though I'd be willing to give it a try if you are curious... [/quote:65c3a19b46] :lol: Absolutely fabulous idea! I love it! Can you imagine the face of the mailman... bringing home to me something that used to be cheese when it left Wisconsin :shock: Then I would take that package with me to the local grocery and ask them to sell me something similar :P I sincerely promise to try this cheese if I ever get a chance to come to US. [quote:65c3a19b46] just eat a couple of nuts with it instead of the butter for fat and have a little less carb in the recipe... [/quote:65c3a19b46] That's a good idea, too! I might use crunched almonds instead of graham crackers and butter. I'll try this and let you know... Thank you, Donna and Michelle!

[quote:a8f95259f7="BARMANsk"][quote:a8f95259f7="yikerszikers"]Graham crackers are like animal crackers or Nilla wafers, do you have those? [/quote:a8f95259f7] Never heard of them. [/quote:a8f95259f7] In England (UK) they have something called HobNobs, a kind of cross between cookie and cracker. I like the chocolte covered ones as a snack. (No where near as sickening sweet as most USA snacks!) My mother-in-law sends them over to us now-and-then. Maybe you have them or something similar? The Chocolate covered ones are only 10.3 g - .6 g = 9.7 g Carbs ea (~ 1 block net after fiber). You could possibly use those or the plain Hob Nobs, if available.

[quote:47b6a7cc44="jaydpiii"] In England (UK) they have something called HobNobs, a kind of cross between cookie and cracker. I like the chocolte covered ones as a snack. (No where near as sickening sweet as most USA snacks!) My mother-in-law sends them over to us now-and-then. Maybe you have them or something similar? The Chocolate covered ones are only 10.3 g - .6 g = 9.7 g Carbs ea (~ 1 block net after fiber). You could possibly use those or the plain Hob Nobs, if available.[/quote:47b6a7cc44] hurray! We have HobNobs! I have not bought them for ages because they are dangerous - I tend to eat the whole pack in day or two... Next time I might use HobNobs, then. I prepared the cheesecake yesterday, and it is SO GOOD! Best is that I was able to eat only one (big) slice, worth 3 blocks, all unfavourable :oops: but I controlled myself much better than ever before! 8) Here comes the modified recipe and zonerunner calculations of its blocks and macronutrients: 2 cups cottage cheese (2% fat) 4 ounces quark 4 ounces cream cheese (13% fat) 40g protein powder 1½ teaspoon lemon juice 3 eggs 3/4 cup granulated fructose 1 teaspoon vanilla 1/4 teaspoon salt 3 tablespoons cocoa (Van Houten) 3 tablespoons cold cooked coffee (I don't use instant coffee powders) 45g chopped almonds blocks: 21.5 P, 21.6 C, 21.7 F grams: 150.5g P, 194.4g C, 65.1g F I divided this beautiful cheesecake into 7 large pieces, 3 blocks each. Thus, 10 pieces is 2 blocks each, or 21 tiny slices worth 1 block. I will certainly do this again; maybe for Christmas with some less fructose and some cherries added inside... or plums?

Hi Satu- Congrats! I am glad it worked! What a team!! :D Michelle

[quote:a74015c455]starz wrote: ... there are some fantastically good recipes for cheesecake in a book called "The Formula: A Personalized 40-30-30 Weight Loss Program" by Gene and Joyce Daoust. ... Happy Zoning! Donna (starz) I noticed there are several books. Do you know which one has more recipes, more of a cookbook, and less extraneous text? [/quote:a74015c455] Hi JaydpiiII! I own all three of the Daoust's books. I really think the one that I quoted above is the best of the three overall and especially in terms of recipes. I currently use this book as a cookbook quite frequently. I started my lifestyle change in terms of diet with this book...then, later became familiar with the zone. Now, I incorporate recipes and calculate macronutrients, etc. from both the zone methods and from this book into my dietary lifestyle. I think you may really enjoy the recipes in this book. Many of the recipes do tend to include more "unfavorable" ingredients than the zone typically suggests...but in terms of weight loss, I have lost over 130 lbs in a little over a year (about 120 of that by using this book and the zone). Happy Zoning! :-) Donna (starz)

[quote:e662f3494d="starz"][quote:e662f3494d]starz wrote: ... there are some fantastically good recipes for cheesecake in a book called "The Formula: A Personalized 40-30-30 Weight Loss Program" by Gene and Joyce Daoust. ... Happy Zoning! Donna (starz) I noticed there are several books. Do you know which one has more recipes, more of a cookbook, and less extraneous text? [/quote:e662f3494d] Hi JaydpiiII! I own all three of the Daoust's books. I really think the one that I quoted above is the best of the three overall and especially in terms of recipes. I currently use this book as a cookbook quite frequently. I started my lifestyle change in terms of diet with this book...then, later became familiar with the zone. Now, I incorporate recipes and calculate macronutrients, etc. from both the zone methods and from this book into my dietary lifestyle. I think you may really enjoy the recipes in this book. Many of the recipes do tend to include more "unfavorable" ingredients than the zone typically suggests...but in terms of weight loss, I have lost over 130 lbs in a little over a year (about 120 of that by using this book and the zone). Happy Zoning! :-) Donna (starz)[/quote:e662f3494d] Even though this one: The Formula: A Personalized 40-30-30 Fat-Burning Nutrition Program By: Gene Daoust Product Rating: Read 1 Epinions review See Product Details $8-$15 Even though the title is different in the search, when I went to the cheapest bookstore to order it on-line, the actual title came us different: instead of Fat-Burning Nutrition program" it came up as"Weight Loss Program." So it appears they are one in the same.

Hello John... I think you've ordered the correct book. Enjoy! Let me know what you think of it (the recipes more specifically) when you get a chance, K? :-) Donna (starz)

[quote:cf0ba8d600="starz"]Hello John... I think you've ordered the correct book. Enjoy! Let me know what you think of it (the recipes more specifically) when you get a chance, K? :-) Donna (starz)[/quote:cf0ba8d600] Will do! Thanks!