Using www.nutritiondata.com it's pretty easy to look up the Omega 6 content of food. Enter the food. Select the serving size. Scroll down to the Fats & Fatty Acids table and there's your omega 6 number (if the serving size didn't come out to a Zone block you'll need to do a little math).

Here are a few I've looked up -

Omega 6 in 1 Block

olive oil (1/3 tsp) - 146 mg
macadamia nut (1) - 37 mg
chicken breast (1 oz raw) - 48 mg
90% lean beef (1 oz raw) - 76 mg
hard tofu (2 oz) - 2784 mg
almond butter (1/2 tsp) - 317 mg
avocado (1 TBS, 30 g) - 237 mg
sardines (1 oz) - 34 mg
wild salmon (1.5 oz) - 94 mg
tuna canned in water (1 oz) - 3 mg

If you look anything up, please post it in this thread.

Thks for reminder and also for spelling out exactly how to find the omega-6 content ...

Good info!
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Just for grins:
1 tsp Coconut Oil -> 81 mg
1 tsp Olive Oil -> 439 mg

Yeah, and actually, didn't I see some information somewhere around here about how moderate amts of coconut oil is fine? From either the Tech Support or Dave Schreck the zone expert? I think I need to reread that info ... hopefully I can find it again.

Me, I found a way around the olive oil that I normally use, based on the omega-6s. I use 2 tsps on my pollock, not the usual full tablespoon, and then for a desert, I eat a little cashew butter mixed with a little fructose and salt. It's very tasty and lower in omega-6s.

I'm also planning to add just some coconut oil into my diet over time ... not excessive, but, say, 25% of my total fat ...

oh and I use a tiny tiny little bit of almond extract and vanilla extract to the cashew butter to add flavour ...

alexy

canola oil (1/3 tsp) - 279 mg

YES, in MODERATE amounts, Coconut Oil is an acceptable fat.
According to Dave Schreck.

The question, of course, is, what constitutes MODERATE amounts? 10%? 30%? Etc ...

LOL

Alexy

unsweetened baking chocolate - 1/2 square (1/2 ounce) - 7g fat, and only 201mg Omega 6. This makes a better tasting hot chocolate than cocoa powder because of the fat.

Larry, Dark?

Hi John - it didn't say on nutritiondata.com The package I have looks pretty dark. I'm surprised the Omega 6 was so low because I think I remember seeing a post here recently that chocolate is high in Omega 6. It makes sens that it would be low, though, because most of the fat is saturated.

Does it have caffeine in it?

unsweetened baking chocolate, that is.

well ... duh. if it's dark, it'll have caffeine. Right?

it's about the same caffeine as decaf coffee

That's great news for me! :-)

A

i'm confused

is omega 6 good for us??? or bad??
does it matter where we get it from??
and how much should we be intaking daily?

When you read Dr. Sears books, you'll understand that there is a natural balance of Omega-3 to Omega-6 ratio we need.
This ratio occurred naturally in our ancestors because of the food they ate and their food choices.
The Zone diet based on both science and research - has some basis on our ancestral eating lifestyle.
The problem is both with the configuration of our food, today and the foods we eat today.
You need some Omega-6; however, our foods and our food choices have far too much Omega-6 and too few Omega-3.
The Zone is a two-pronged approach: 1) More Omega=3 intake through high quality fish oil and 2) food choices designed to reduce Omega-6.
For example: The wheat (all wheat not just white flour) grown since the early 1900's, when a Mexican scientist altered wheat, is not the same wheat our ancestors ate, the few periods in later history they ate wheat. And even then, it was fermented. Hence one reason for the now prevalent Celiac disease and its lesser Gluten Intolerance. That change in wheat and the addition of ADDED sugar to our diets.
So, you'll notice that almost all grains are considered unfavorable carbohydrates, and Sugar is limited, and fruits are limited to lower glycemic load value fruits, like berries.

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Posted By suzanne on 10 Sep 2012 09:21 AM
i'm confused

is omega 6 good for us??? or bad??
does it matter where we get it from??
and how much should we be intaking daily?
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Hi Suzanne

The short answer, think of it as "bad" because your body produces AA (arachidonic acid, aka Inflammation) from it. You need only a little bit of omega 6 and the amounts occurring naturally in your foods will provide plenty without adding it in concentrated forms such as seeds and certain nuts and vegetable oils. One of the basic Zone principles at the core of the Zone to avoid foods in which the fat is predominately omega 6. Limit your added fats to mostly those on the Zoe Food Block Guide and you'll do fine. http://drsears.com/ArticlePreview/t...fault.aspx

thank you for clearing that up for me- sue.
although i have read entering the zone, mastering the zone, best foods, 2 weeks in the zone, and antiflammatory zone
i find the books to be difficult for me to read. maybe because me kids keep interrupting me as i'm reading.
or maybe i just don't have the terminology knowledge to understand. either way- i appreciate your input. i've
been seeing so many comments, most make sense--some confuse me-- so if i'm confused- i'm asking..

we are following the reccommended foods and their portions...and i'm sure with time (a lot of time) this all will
make more sense to me.. thanks again

Happy to help. Keep asking questions! Those books are all very good choices. I use mine as handbooks, and have referred back to them over and over throughout the years. Now that you have a good grasp of the diet itself, I'd highly suggest reading "Toxic Fat", the most recent Zone book that came out a few years ago. It covers the evolution of the Zone from the time of those first books you have to today, and shows the bigger overall picture and full potential of the Zone as it is today. Two key parts to the Zone improving hormonal responses by gaining insulin control and reducing cellular inflammation (this is where the understanding of fats comes in). Keep reading. :)

John, thanks for your input on the wheat issue, as well. I had a friend come to me with a revelationary moment about wheat, he had just learned about the problem with the wheat of today. I may have another zoner on my hands, who knows!

I'm re-posting the original list, sorted by type of food and amount of Omega 6.

Omega 6 in 1 Block

Fats...

almond butter (1/2 tsp) - 317 mg
canola oil (1/3 tsp) - 279 mg
avocado (1 TBS, 30 g) - 237 mg
olive oil (1/3 tsp) - 146 mg
macadamia nut (1) - 37 mg

Protein + Fat...

hard tofu (2 oz) - 2784 mg (includes 4 blocks or 6g of fat)
wild salmon (1.5 oz) - 94 mg
90% lean beef (1 oz raw) - 76 mg
chicken breast (1 oz raw) - 48 mg
sardines (1 oz) - 34 mg
tuna canned in water (1 oz) - 3 mg

I've been eating the Zone Cereal which is about 1/3 the cost of Zone Bars and saw that its main oil is canola. I'm not sure why canola oil isn't listed as favorable. It has pretty low Omega 6 numbers.

Olive oil it is for me, mostly ... can't afford macadama nuts.

BUT! I saw macadamia BUTTER (not nuts) for a jar that was one dollar cheaper than either the cashew butter jar (which I bought) or the almond butter jar (which I also bought). (I also have peanut butter ...)

So it might be cheaper, sometimes, to use macadamia butter than the actual nuts themselves? Although in USA it could be completely different ...

The reason I didn't buy the macadamia butter was because I didn't think it would have much flavour in it, and I was getting various nut butters to add interest to my diet ... has anyone tried macadamia butter? Does it have a strong flavour, or is it rather like the nuts themselves--not particularly strong taste?

Alexy

Hi Sarah - the one I tried was raw and it had no flavor. Roasted might be better. Raw almond butter is our favorite for taste.

Raw didn't work, huh? It figures ... those m. nuts are so mild-tasting.

I don't see any raw almond butter around here ... did you order online or ..?

A

Sarah, I used to buy it macadamia nut butter all the time until the store stopped carrying it. I thought it was delicious

Hi Sarah - we got the almond butter at nuts.com Their nuts aren't that great but the almond butter is fantastic.

regarding the canola oil, I think it gets a bad wrap because it really isn't a naturally occurring oil.

Thanks, Larry. :-) Good to know.

Sue: so roasted m. butter are delicious ... ok, I'll give it a try once I run out of my butters :-)

Drat about the store no longer selling m butter for you to buy though ...

A

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Posted By cranberrycat on 19 Sep 2012 10:57 PM
regarding the canola oil, I think it gets a bad wrap because it really isn't a naturally occurring oil.
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yes - it must be okay, though, if Dr. Sears put it in the Zone Cereal.

I personally don't eat it, as it does not occur in nature. Good to know about the cereal, I do like the cereal, but did not know that there was canola oil in it.

Some info on Canola Oil, I don't have any; but, like most other things, some in moderation, other foods limited.
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Canola and regular rapeseed oils (Canola oil is a rapeseed oil) are extracted from the seeds of several of the brassica plants - the same family of plants from which we get vegetables such as Brussels sprouts, broccoli, cabbage, kale, mustard greens, and several other vegetables.

Of course, there is not much fat in these vegetables; but what fat there is in some of them, e.g., mustard greens, is as much as 29 percent erucic acid. Also, since glycosides (typical are stevioside and other flavonoids) are basically water soluble, I would not expect to find much of them in any oil, even Canola oil. Those glucosinolates found in rapeseed meal after the oil has removed from the seeds are the same goiterogens that are found in the brassica vegetables.
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One problem with canola oil is that it has to be partially hydrogenated or refined before it is used commercially and consequently is a source of trans fatty acids; sometimes at very high levels.
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Another problem is that it is too unsaturated to be used exclusively in the diet; so unfortunately some of the undesirable effects caused by feeding canola oil can only be rectified if the diet is made higher in saturated fatty acids.

Found this, too Though we know about Omega-6, I was not aware that Canola was high nor that it contains so much Trans-Fats.:
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Omega-6 fatty acids accelerate the growth of human prostate tumors.
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The current study found that the fats caused human prostate tumors in cell culture to grow twice as quickly as tumors to which omega-6 fats had not been added.
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Omega-6 fatty acids are found in vegetable oils, including:
- Corn
- Canola
- Soybean
- Sunflower
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Americans currently consume over 25 times the level of omega-6 fats as the beneficial omega-3 fatty acids. Further, the researchers pointed out that the rate of prostate cancer in the United States has increased steadily along with intake of omega-6, suggesting a possible link between diet and prostate cancer.
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Omega-6 oils such as canola and sunflower oil are not safe foods or health foods, whatever you may have heard. Excessive consumption of these vegetable oils can lead to:
- Asthma
- Blindness
- Heart disease
- Cancer

And finally, this
(Note ... and can contain as much as 50 per cent trans fats. ... although they are not indicated on labels for canola oil):
Thanks, Larry - for giving me the momentum to look into Canola Oil.
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After the Second World War, 'improvements' made it possible to plasticise highly unsaturated oils from corn and soybeans. New catalysts allowed processors to 'selectively hydrogenate' the kinds of fatty acids found in soy and canola oils - those with three double bonds.
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Called 'partial hydrogenation', this new method allowed processors to replace cotton-seed oil with more unsaturated corn and soybean oils in margarines and shortenings. This spurred a meteoric rise in soybean production from virtually nothing in 1900 to 70 million tons in 1970, surpassing corn production. Today, soy oil dominates the market and is used in almost 80 per cent of all hydrogenated oils.
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The particular mix of fatty acids in soy oil results in shortenings containing about 40 per cent trans fats - an increase of about 5 per cent over cotton-seed oil and 15 per cent over corn oil. Canola oil, processed from a hybrid form of rape-seed, is particularly rich in fatty acids containing three double bonds and can contain as much as 50 per cent trans fats.
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Trans fats of a particularly problematic type are also formed during the process of deodorising canola oil, although they are not indicated on labels for canola oil.
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Certain forms of trans fatty acids occur naturally in dairy fats. Trans vaccenic acid makes up about four per cent of the fatty acids in butter. It is an interim product which the ruminant animal then converts to conjugated linoleic acid, a highly beneficial anti-carcinogenic component of animal fat. Humans seem to utilise the small amounts of trans vaccenic acid in butter fat without ill effects.
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However, most of the trans isomers in modern hydrogenated fats are new to the human physiology. By the early 1970s, a number of researchers had expressed concern about their presence in the American diet, noting that the increasing use of hydrogenated fats had paralleled the increase in both heart disease and cancer.

Hi John - Love the internet but I guess it all depends upon which web page one finds when searching. This one says the opposite about transfat in canola oil

"Canola oil (provided that it has not been hydrogenated to increase its stability) contains very small amounts of trans fatty acids at levels too low to be a health concern. The levels of trans fat in non-hydrogenated canola oil are below 0.5 grams per serving and qualify for a label claim of "trans fat free." I don't see any reason to shy away from non-hydrogenated canola oil on account of trans fat.

However, to be sure you're getting only this trace level of trans fat from your canola oil, you'll definitely want to check on the ingredient list to make sure that the word "hydrogenated" does not appear. Although you could also check on the Nutritional Facts panel to see if there are 0 grams listed under trans fat, this method isn't full proof, because even though the product may contain some trans fat, the company would be legally allowed to round the number down to 0 grams under certain circumstances (if it contains less than 0.5 grams per serving)."

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?...ip&dbid=39


Regarding your reference that said canola oil is high in Omega 6, it's not. Look at my table a few posts before this one. Canola oil has less Omega 6 than almond butter.

Bottom line - I think as long as long as one gets non-hydrogenated canola oil, all is good. And I hope/trust that Dr. Sears put non-hydrogenated canola oil in his Zone Cereal product. Tech Support - can you find out?

It depends, the one fact is that all canola oils are not the same.
And hidden are those that are "Partially" hydogenated - because they do not have to state that information.
So, it's buyer beware.

I think that this is the bottom line:
(from the same website you cite)
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If you want to make sure that you are avoiding all genetic engineering, you're safest step is to purchase organic canola oil. It's still illegal to use genetic engineering in the product of any certified organic product. I prefer organic canola oil for many reasons, including this one.
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AND I would add that although organic is probably not Hydrogenated or even partially hydrogenated, one should still also check the label as you state from the article.
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Otherwise, I think that what I found is probably mostly true, the general run of the mill, Canola Oil that folks would pick up without reading the label, carefully, is most likely those that are cheaper and high in Omega-6.
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Again, buyer be-ware.
Of course Zoners usually are. So beginning to preach to the choir, so to speak.
I'll stop rambling, now.

P.S. We are the ONLY modern, industrial, western nation, NOT to REQUIRE labeling GMO food as GMO.
Big Agra: Monsanto, Con-Agra, etc is fighting (with literally Billions of dollars) a California (where else) Ballot Initiative to have all GMO foods sold in CA labeled as GMO.
And usually as CA goes, eventually the rest of the country.
BUT, I digress ...

good points, john. thanks.

and... I was looking into canola oil in the first place because it is the main oil used in Zone Cereal, which I love. I wanted to be sure it was okay to eat it. Quality canola oil has no transfat and is low in Omega 6 so I'm going to keep munching that cereal. It's 1/3 the cost of Zone Bars and keeps me in the Zone just as well. It's curious that a serving of the cereal is 2 P blocks and only a little over 1 C block but I can always throw in a few berries, etc. I even like it dry which makes it a good snack to take on the go, and it doesn't melt like the bars do in the Texas heat.

I agree, much cheaper than the bars, and more versatile.
It might be (Carb/Protein) because if you have it with Milk, even though milk is considered mostly balanced, there are a bit more carbs in milk than Protein Zone requirements.
So, maybe they were considering that when they made the cereal. And, thankfully, it is relatively less expensive than the bars, and a lot less sweet than the old Zone Foods granola.

Anyone who's REALLY, REALLY carb-sensitive: how well do you far on this cereal?

Hi Larry--about the NAET treatments--still taking notes etc ... and still not 100% arrived at my own conclusion on the effectiveness of these treatments, because my own stuff involve so many different components, it's much more complex than many other people who go to get NAET treatments ... but I can say that I'm seeing a lot of different things happening as a result, and that these treatments DO actually, believe it or not, work ...

It's a lot of detoxing though--I'm doing my 90th treatment in a few minutes (most people only need 15-20 treatments), and a lot of "bad stuff" (toxins etc) leaving my body which really affects me ...

I have to leave, but in a few weeks, once it's all over and I'm just maintaining as opposed to this aggressive, two-treatments-a-day (10 treatments a week) approach, I'll start giving you examples. It's confusing because when one is detoxing (releasing the toxins from one's body), one can have symptoms as a result ... kinda like the AA leaving the body and you feel crappy as a result ... LOL ...

A

thanks, Sarah, for the update on NAET. It sounds very interesting. Please do keep me posted.

Sarah;
I am somewhat sensitive to Carbs (Bread esp.),and I am Italian!
Though the few times we go to the local bakery for a salad and soup for lunch or quick dinner,
I am not tempted to get a loaf of their wonderful smelling fresh made bread.
They used to do a low-Carb Herb Italian bread, but stopped because Corporate sid there was not enough demand for it.
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To get to your Query: The cereal actually holds me fairly well.
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Without any of the now defunct Zone Foods available for my annual week long business trip to Las Vegas, NV, USA this coming February,
I'll be ordering some bars when they are on sale, and a bunch of the cereal.
Though I usually get a refrigerator in my room, and do some local grocery shopping as well.
But no Zone breads for sandwiches, this year.
And I am not holding my breath for the supposed new Zone Foods that are supposed to be coming this fall, we;ll see .....
And I pack my snacks in a cooler bag for my long days working the conference.
Lunch's are provided, so I can pick and choose and keep those relatively Zone friendly,
though I can't control the salt and the Fat in some of the foods.
The Bars are so-so at holding me. But I use them on the airport/airplane portion of the trip.

Sarah, I actually do pretty well with the cereal, though I am not happy that it contains canola oil... so may have to re-evaluate this option.
I don't do as well with it dry as I do with milk, though.

Hi Larry,

Glad to share. And in a few weeks I'll be going on maintaining, just a treatment or two a week, and will then be more able to see more clearly and be more accurate in describing these treatments. :-)

John: Thanks for sharing your experiences. So even you (not the most carb-sensitive in the world) still react ... but cereal holds you well. Good to know. :-)

Cranberrycat: Did you say that you don't do as well with dry cereal as you do with milk (which is a liquid and unstable), OR, did you say you do better on cereal when it has milk in it???? I'm confused!

A

I do BETTER with cereal AND milk. Don't ask why, because it doesn't make sense from the standpoint of it being a liquid carb. LOL!

No, it sure doesn't! Interesting ...

In case you haven't seen my AA/EPA test thread ----- The test showed my AA is lower than it should be. I wasn't getting enough Omega 6 (which converts to AA) and I eat mainly nonfat proteins (no AA). I was trying to get my Omega 6 fats as low as possible by eating at least half of my fat in Macadamia Nuts. I'm returning to the usual acceptable fats that have a little higher omega 6 in them (avocado, olive oil, peanut butter, almond butter). I think I'll stay with eating mostly nonfat proteins, for the most part.

that's actually good news in many ways--it will be cheaper for you in the long run since olive oil is a pretty cheap source of fat, relatively speaking :-)

i did see the other thread ...

i haven't done my own aa/epa test yet ... there have been various obstacles, e.g., the local blood test area here refused to do it, saying i have to go to the hospital, etc ...

but at least my physician signed the papers, so i can get them done eventually ;-)

sandra

Hi Sara - you should be able to draw the blood yourself. It's just a little finger prick and then you let it drip on to the collection paper they sent you.

BTW - I had my first NAET session this week (eggs). I tested very sensitive to them so after the treatmentI couldn't get with 4 feet of any egg products for 25 hours. Next week is calcium.

Hi Larry,

Oh, I didn't realize. Oh, ok ... thanks for letting me know.

Wow, you did? LOL. i would love to hear what you think.

The past 4 months (I'm taking a break now--I was doing 2 treatments a day, five days a week) it wasn't easy to see whether it was working for me or not. I had so many problems when I started. then there was the detoxing which looks too much like the actual allergic symptoms themselves.

But now I can point to something that is completely and totally undeniable, that can't be attributed to placebo, or anything else, that is directly and completely a result of the NAET treatments. (They treated a lot of things. e.g., they treated my soy intolerance, for example, which they said was severe, but my soy intolerance mainly tend to show up only after months and months of eating a lot of soy, and it tends to result in my not being able to control my periods anymore. No further details necessary! so it was hard to be sure whether I no longer had a soy intolerance or not.)

Ok, this following is completely and totally due naet treatments:

I used to have very severe asthma to smoking. Nothing worked to stop the asthma from happening. Puffers were limited and I couldn't stay in a smoky environment for too long even with very powerful puffers.

Now I can sit next to smokers and I don't have asthma anymore. I do react in other ways, so I'm getting more treatments for the other ways I react to cigerrate smoking, but, I have zero asthma.

Not saying that it's a good idea to spend too much time in a smoky environment.

But what that means is, I won't have my lungs constrict so it feels like I'm sucking air through a straw anymore.

It's conclusive proof I wanted, that could not be attributed to placebo, or anything else, and finally I have this undeniable proof ... 4 months later. Sigh.

but, it works ... that's what counts!

I'd love to hear your own experiences as you go along Larry ... :-)

Sarah

I'm curious. what happened when you got to within 4 feet of them?

alexy

yes, it sounds like we might be experiencing slightly different NAET methods. When he muscle tests me with the vile, if I show that I'm sensitive to it, he also muscle tests me while holding the vile in his own hand several feet away. If the muscle test for that shows week, too, then I am sensitive to the energy field of the food as well as to ingesting it. That was the case with eggs so I had to keep my distance from eggs for the 25 hours after the treatment. That meant I couldn't even open the refrigerator door. Next time I go in he will test to see if I have "cleared" the egg sensitivity.

There is a list of things that people are most sensitive to and I'm clearing them one at a time (next is calcium, then vitamin C, then vitamin B, etc.). If the muscle test shows I'm not sensitive to something I go on the the next thing. It usually takes at least 15 treatments to get everything cleared.

Is this how yours works, too?

hi larry,

you and i "slightly different naet methods" is putting it mildly in my opinion.

i think you and i are having similiar AND very different experiences.

now, the basic or main treatment, for me, is still naet. so the muscle-testing is the same (roughly) for me as for you.

and you and i both go through the same initial 10 or 12 basics. so eggs is one basic. calcium is another. etc.

so we both have to go through the basics first before we can be treated for our own issues. (my issues--severe allergies to many things, including detergents, fabrics, dustmites, dust, pollen, shampoos, cleaning agents of all kinds, plus, more moderate allergies--such as various food allergies (my soy allergy is very strong but still takes months to really, really show up big time in terms of uncontrollable period bleeding, but i could feel its effect on me pretty much immediately when i eat it, but i just shrugged it off), etc., etc.

what's different ...

they have "instant clearing vials" (not sure how to spell it--vials? vails? those little things?). I put my hands on them and then I don't have to go through the 25 hours thing as you do, wherein I have to take extreme efforts to avoid the object in question. I can just go about my life.

However, some of the times, I still need to try to limit my exposure while I'm having a treatment for a specific thing. It depends, though. But the basic attitude is--just do what you normally do.

So that is one important difference.

Another difference: I was in a health crisis. So I was in a hurry. So I did the 10 basics in a week basically, and I just kept going. I have done well over 125 treatments at this point. I'm taking a two-week break before coming back.

So you are more like many people--you do one treatment a week. I've never done that. How do you experience this? I'm curious.

Anyway. The detoxing is brutal sometimes. I think it's because I did 10 txs a week basically, and also because some of these txs at least were big txs--meaning I had a lot of detoxing to do as a result. Soy was an example, as I used to eat a lot of soy.

So I had some bad times recently when I tried to push myself, and so I backed off.

They did recently say no to me several times because my body couldn't take another tx.

I think the zone diet i was on--i fell off today! and feeling the effect! but will climb back on tomorrow--helped me to keep going. there was a lot of surprise among the naet practitioners that i could keep going as i did. i think they don't normally see people who do that many txs in such a short span of time. it was 4 long months of detoxing.

that said. the detoxing sucked what I call the "zone energy" out of me, even when I was eating a very strict paleo-zone diet to try to control

another difference. it sounds like your naet practitioner follows dr. devi (founder of naet)'s techniques very strictly. my practitioners added a lot more to dr. devi's naet techniques. The "instant clearing vials" is an example. I had a lot of doubt sometimes as a result because it was more than the strict naet stuff.

but. i am, by now, totally and completely convinced this stuff works. because in February, I had to abandon my lovely apartment that I so loved, and ended up in the emergency room, because the smokers underneath my apartment were smoking, and my lungs would constrict so much, I felt like I was sucking air through a straw. And I was allergic to 70% or more of the items around me at that point.

Now I've moved into a house with two smokers, I'm living WITH two smokers--bad idea, I know, and they're trying very hard to reduce their smoking, and to quit--and I have absolutely no asthmatic reaction to their smoking, even when they're smoking right in front of me.

It was the NAET treatments that completely eliminated the asthma. I no long have this potentially life-threatening disease.

So I knew, for sure, at the 3.5 month mark when I found I had absolutely no asthma at all in reaction to heavy smoking, even though I was asthmatic all my life, and my asthma very clearly varied depending on how long I was exposed to smoke, and to how much smoke was being produced.

I had been observing a lot of far more subtle changes in me all along, though. For example, my soy allergy--I stopped reacting to it with various physical sensations that I can't quite describe, but that I have long associated with eating soy products. But these changes were much more subtle, so it was harder to be sure, particularly as naet treatments aren't accepted in the medical world, although one of my medical doctors, an allergist, said she did investigate naet treatments, and that she was all for my getting naet treatments, but that she couldn't recommend naet treatments as yet herself because she needs hard proof in terms of a double-whachacllat clinical study ... you know, the "golden standard" in the medical/scientific world. blind test? double-blind placebo something? LOL.

on the emotional front. they did what they call "emotion txs." and some of them definitely eased certain reactions in me, made it easier for me emotionally.

But, this medical doctor was all for my doing the naet treatments--she clearly wasn't worried about toxic side effects. (She continues to prescribe allergy shots to her patients, but, i refuse to have allergy shots.)

i will be honest here. in my personal opinion, she should be investigating naet txs more, and maybe setting up a study of her own. i'm gonna offer myself as a guinea pig in a week' or two time ... we'll see if she'll accept that. lol.

the reality, of course, is that drug companies have billions of dollars to invest in big clinical studies. naet practitioners are scattered all over the world, there are no big naet companies around, and the individual practitioners don't have billions of dollars. so it's next to impossible for naet practitioners to set up those kinds of expensive studies. and drug companies don't have the incentive to study naet txs in a nonbiased way, so ...

anyway. the asthma--the fact that my severe asthma is completely gone--has convinced me, 100%, that this "crazy" thing work. And I am a lot healthier now that I have many major allergies permanently eliminated without the side-effects of allergy shots.

And I still firmly believe in the zone diet, it has consistently worked for me over and over again, and i feel so much better when i'm zoned than when i'm not, but even if the zone diet gets my allergies under control--and it would if i had been able to stabilize on the zone fish oil, but i couldn't--it would not permanently eliminate these allergies.

so, both the zone diet and the naet treatments get my allergies under control. the zone diet gives me tremendous energy too.

but when i fall off the zone diet, my allergies come back.

with the naet treatments. my big allergies are gone PERMANENTLY, so i have fewer health issues to cope with.

so, i use both ...

a.

i see i mixed up a couple of thoughts, but i think you can follow along anyway? LOL

sometimes i get interrupted while typing on the puter, or i interrupt myself! hahaha

a.

very interesting, Sarah. You're right about my guy. He prides himself on following the original NAET guidelines very strictly. He also does other energy treatments and I've tried them all.

They are all explained on his website http://www.sanantonio-chiropractors.com/

These are the ones I've done, in order, over the last year:

NCR (neural cranial restructuring) - This gave me back the posture I had 40 years ago and helped my neck pain but didn't eliminate it.

NeuroModulation Technique (NMT) - This didn't do much for me.

Neurolink - Luckily a new protocol of only 3 sessions was offered at the time I did this. I noticed a big change in my digestion for the better.

NAET - I've only done eggs and calcium. I feel generally more relaxed and my digestion continues to improve. My neck still hurts some but I don't care. I'm looking forward to more advanced NAET treatments that address arthritis in a few months. I'm sure it will also help me with getting congested at night in the Fall and Winter.


I'm not really in bad health, at all, just determined to get rid of the neck pain. Taking a lot of fish oil didn't help and I've tried a lot herbal type remedies (MSM was the latest) with no results.

Since I feel pretty good, generally, I don't notice much detox or euphoria from the treatments. I pretty much feel the same most of the time.

I'm with you on the Zone Diet. I'm not going to change that.

Briefly looked at your Chiro's website. Philosophy, unlike most, seems to be a lot like ours (my wife and I).
Dr. You, for example .... very similar to approach of our Chiro.
So, in fairness: www.pathoflifechiro.com
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Sound familiar?
Chiropractic adjustment improves the function of the nervous system, which governs and controls the body. When the nervous system works better, the body works better - it's as simple as that. Neck and back pain are important because they affect a person's quality of life, but they are even more important because they are signals from the body indicating that something is wrong with the spine, which could be impacting the nervous system and detracting from your body's ability to function at its best. A chiropractor is the only doctor trained to detect and eliminate subluxation (click here) to ensure that your nervous system is able to perform at its best, and therefore to govern and heal your body from the inside.
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Anyway - a good Chiropractor along with a healthy ZONE lifestyle - is more than worth its weight in gold!
Just as for me with "diets" until I came across the ZONE!
Until I came across this chiropractor (whom I met kataking!) - with the right philosophy, I saw chiropractic care as worthless, useless, waste of money, etc. Not any more.

hmm, this is interesting ...

because i had spinal meninigitis as a child, and that impacts the central nervous system. (the CNS is comprised of the brain and the spine. Spinal meninigitis attacks the brain and the spine.)

So one of Larry's therapies--the cranal-something one--sounds like it might be a good fit for me. Thanks Larry for sharing.

Anyway. I want to clarify how NAET works to eliminate allergies. Fundamentally, the naet practitioners manipulate the nerves running along the two sides of the spine to manipulate the flight and fight instincts so that the body stops reacting to something as if it’s an enemy.

In other words. They work with the central nervous system too. And, the allergist I saw recently, who's a medical doctor, who investigated the NAEt txs, ,she said,, when I said the above re: how it works, "That’s a very good description." So, it's an accurate description according to her, then.

LARRY: this note for you, because you mentioned your arthritis. One of my NAET practitioners was in a car accident so bad she was in a coma for a month, and had many surgeries afterwards, and had very bad arthritis (well, she didn't say, "very bad," but, it was REALLY bad I infer, due to the car accident and the surgeries). She got a lot of NAET txs, and nearly all of her arthtritis is gone. She's very overweight, definitely is NOT on the zone diet, doesn't have much physical energy, etc, but she's still far healthier thanks to the txs. She occasionally limps on bad days, she still experience allergic reactions, but both her arthritis and her allergies are far, far less than they used to. She no longer has txs, but, she says she does go back at times to maintain her health, but goes long stretches without the txs.

Just thought you might want to know ... :-)

Interesting to hear about your digestion improving too ... Im having various problems with my digestion i think, but seeing another, non-NAET, naturopathic doctor about my reflux, my various "stomach problems," etc ... my health problems are getting less and less complicated, but it takes a long time to fully heal i think.

I agree, the zone diet is absolutely crucial. I can't imagine not being on it. I admit to falling off periodically, partly because I'm so gullible!!!! I keep buying into other people's beliefs that bad food taste better than good food. But the reality isn't so. But somehow, I just keep falling into that trap, I don't know why!! Does anyone know why I keep buying that myth when I know better????

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Just a note, I have had ALL of my life really severe seasonal hayfever allergies - both in the Spring and in the Fall.
And about 14 years ago, developed (real) allergy - dust-mites.
Many ties when two allergy types were combined in the Spring, even prescription antihistamines, barely touched them on very severe days and nights.
The ZONE diet helped, some, as well as moving to New England from NC.
However, more than just bothersome.
After I started seeing who is now my Chiropractor, right before last Fall, she informed me to let her know how my allergies were.
Fall came, and not a problem! I was still skeptical! I told her Spring is even worse and will be the real test.
Spring came, and I am like, "What allergies?"
Then this Fall, again, no problems, and I ran into folks who all said their doctors told them that this Fall in new England was one of the worst for seasonal allergies, and I had NO problems.
All from normal Chiropractor adjustments (& in addition to the Zone).

Hi John,

What did she do exactly that helped the allergies, do you happen to know?

That is a great story by the way. :-)

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I have two areas in my back, one major area in my Neck which is out of alignment.
The whole concept is to help nerve cells flow messages from the brain more easily, as God had intended.
Due to being born premature, a car accident, etc. Apparently not all information was flowing.
Just by slowly adjusting and nudging alignment back to normal.
For example, your spinal neck curvature should be at about 42 degrees.
Mine is at about 14 degrees - when I started.
With some early signs of arthritis in one of the segments - some loss of some essential spinal fluid.
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By the way, according to my Chiropractor, they have just found out (science/medical community),
that the spinal fluid system flows down from the brain and back up the spinal column, much like blood flow.
The fluid is blood without red blood cells.
They do not know what "PUMPS" this brain blood fluid.
TheThey do know that the Brain filters blood and creates this spinal blood fluid.
This is a recent discovery according to my chiropractor, and has some implications, they are just starting to learn about.

Fascinating, and relevant to me given my childhood illness ... I had suspected for the past few months that my many allergies were due to my spinal meninigitis at two, and the ensuring trauma (both physiological and emotional trauma), and your information supports my suspicions ...

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congratulations, by the way, on stumbling into something that actually helped you so much ...

it takes a long time and trial and error to find something that works ...

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I wasn't aware I even had a problem, until the day my wife and I were kayaking with our group, and this "new" person,
turned out to be a Chiropractor. As we were chatting in general about various topics, she noticed my posture, lack of being able to turn my head very much, all of which I lived with, and knew nothing else, so thought it all normal. e ten chatted about various medical/health philosophies, and i realized we had similar core beliefs. Then I found out she was a Chiropractor, and she suggested I come in for an initial scan, discounted as she had just recently moved to the area and was just starting her business up. No looking back for me from then on ...
Just like when I "stumbled" ? across the Zone ... (posted in Zone Forums in 2004, but the forums have undergone two complete transformations, since then ... )

I've seen you mention how you met her ... :-) :-) :-)

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