claire
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| 20 Oct 2010 11:40 AM |
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I'm a bit confused about the hidden fat concept and the adding or not adding extra fat in relationship to it. Can anyone explain this to me. Also, from what I've read in other posts, it sounds like adding extra mono fat will inhibit/slow down weight loss, despite it not having an effect insulin levels. Am I correct in thinking this because this seems counter to what I thought I understood about zone basics. Thanks!
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John
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| 20 Oct 2010 12:27 PM |
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Simple.
Requirements:
7 grams of Protein per serving (1 block).
9 grams of Carbs per serving (1 block).
3 grams of fat per serving (2 blocks!)
Here is why 3 grams of fat = 2 blocks:
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Unless your protein source is non-fat, all sources of protein have some fat.
A lo-fat protein source like we eat in Zone will have at least 1.5 grams of fat in a serving of protein with 7 grams of actual protein.
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So to get to the 3 grams of Fat per serving, you add an additional 1.5 grams of (mono-) Fat.
So your actual meals are pro-portioned by 1 block each of P, C, & F.
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claire
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| 20 Oct 2010 12:45 PM |
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John, so you're saying you should only be adding 1.5 grams of fat per each P and C block which would translate to only adding a total of 4.5 grams of fat to the entire meal because the hidden fats in most proteins will bump up the whole fat count to 9 grams?
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John
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| 20 Oct 2010 12:47 PM |
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Correct: Only adding 4.5 grams to a 3 block meal gives you about 9 grams of fat per 3 block meal, unless you are eating non-fat protein.
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P.S. A little additional Fat is OK, you do NOT have to be precise, its a Zone, not an exact point.
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claire
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| 20 Oct 2010 12:49 PM |
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I'm also confused by the posts that I've read that have insinuated that this extra fat (which I now think I must've been adding far to much of) will stop/slow down weight loss when I was always under the impression that it was the protein/carb ratios that controlled the rate of insulin entering your system that were responsible for weight loss/gain?
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John
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| 20 Oct 2010 12:52 PM |
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Those posts refer to folks who are in maintenance mode, I believe - without seeing the actual posts. |
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cranberrycat
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| 20 Oct 2010 04:15 PM |
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Claire,
A small amount of addtional fat is not going to hinder weight loss. Along with the appropriate protein/carb ratio, fat will slow down the digestion/absorption of the carbs. Like John said, the Zone is not an exact point.
I am not sure which posts you are talking about, but a larger amount of fat will hinder weight loss. Those who have reached their weight loss goals would simply increase the amount of fat that they are consuming, so that further weight loss stops. So, it does hold true that if one adds more fat than they need, that weight loss will slow or stop. |
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Sue
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| 20 Oct 2010 06:21 PM |
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Posted By claire on 10/20/2010 1:49 PM
I'm also confused by the posts that I've read that have insinuated that this extra fat (which I now think I must've been adding far to much of) will stop/slow down weight loss when I was always under the impression that it was the protein/carb ratios that controlled the rate of insulin entering your system that were responsible for weight loss/gain?
Hi Claire, The protein/carbohydrate ratio of the Zone allows your insulin to lower, which in turn switches your body to burning fat to produce all its energy and also unlocks the body's fat cells to allow your stored fat to be burned. With the Zone diet you eat less fat than your body needs each day and, because of the lower insulin levels, your body can tap into its stored fat cells to get the rest of the fat it needs. Its important to note that dietary fat has no direct impact on insulin levels. If you eat a few more grams of monounsaturated fat here and there than the usual Zone balance dictates, and you have excess stored body fat, you should continue to lose stored body fat because you'll still be burning fat to produce your energy and you'll still be eating less fat than you actually need. ____________________________________________
sue
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cranberrycat
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| 20 Oct 2010 08:22 PM |
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I think that these posts sound like they contradict each other, but the point is that a small amount of extra fat isn't going to hurt; but an excess might cause you to stop losing fat. For each individual, the "excess" might even differ from one person to the next. |
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Cranberrycat
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claire
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| 21 Oct 2010 01:17 PM |
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Thanks for your responses everyone! That's sounds more like what I've always understood about the zone. However, the one thing I still don't understand is: If eating a small amount of extra mono fat won't slow or stop your weight loss, why then is it the recommended method for 'maintaining' weight then?
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Sue
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| 21 Oct 2010 10:42 PM |
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The loss of stored body fat will stop if you eat too much extra fat. You can play around with the amounts to see what works best for you without going below the minimum amount of fat stated for Zone balance. If you go below that minimum, you jeopardize the insulin control, because dietary fat controls the rate of digestion of the carbohydrates in your meal. For this very reason, a little extra fat also will give better insluin control.
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sue
Consultant of Zone Labs
Certified Zone Affiliate
Lost 100 lbs 15 yrs ago, off BP meds, thanks to the Zone diet and Zone fish oil. ZoneFast 1-2-3 is the best!
View my Zone Fast 1-2-3 meal photos here:
http://s531.photobucket.com/albums/...3%20Meals/
View my classic Zone meal photos here:
http://s531.photobucket.com/albums/...4/?start=0 |
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Sue Knorr
Lost 100 lbs 18 yrs ago, off BP meds, thanks to the Zone diet and Zone fish oil.
Consultant of Zone Labs
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claire
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| 23 Oct 2010 06:45 PM |
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Oh ok, I understand much better now. Thanks! |
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