Ancestor Diet/Health?
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John
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19 Nov 2009 09:29 AM
    A new finding as explained in a recent USA Today article,
    is refuting concept of Ancestors diets/lifestyle as healthy?
    Raises question about modern food/modern food processing/lifestyle contributing to heart diseases!

    Here's info:

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    ORLANDO -- Her name was Lady Rai. She was a nursemaid to an Egyptian queen who lived three centuries before the reign of Pharaoh Ramses I. And she suffered from heart disease.
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    The evidence lies in a CT scan of Lady Rai's mummified remains, researchers here said Tuesday. Using 21st-century science, they peered through her tattered wrappings and into her ancient arteries. There, they found evidence of the same kind of plaque that doctors now diagnose every day.
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    What's more, they found it in someone who lived 3,500 years before fast food, sedentary living and cheap cigarettes. The research suggests that while modern risk factors may account for the current epidemic of heart disease, the ailment predates them.
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    "To me, it means we're all susceptible," says researcher Randall Thompson of the Mid America Heart Institute in Kansas City, Mo., who presented the findings at an American Heart Association meeting. "To a certain extent, this may be a disease of being human."
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    The images of Lady Rai are part of a series made in February by a team of cardiologists, imaging experts, Egyptologists and preservationists at the Museum of Antiquities in Cairo. The team examined 22 mummies, dating from 1981 B.C. to A.D. 364. They found heart tissue or blood vessels in 13; in four, they found intact hearts.
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    Three of the mummies had atherosclerosis, a buildup of fat, cholesterol and calcium inside their arteries. Another three had probable atherosclerosis. Calcified blockages were more common in mummies who were estimated to have died after the age of 45, researchers say.
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    The images of Lady Rai betrayed classic evidence of calcified plaque in the aorta, which appears as a bright spot on the CT image. "It's just what you'd see in a living patient," Thompson says. "We don't know whether she died of a heart attack or not, but we can tell that she had the disease process that leads to heart attacks."
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    The most ancient mummy with evidence of heart disease died between 1530 B.C. and 1570 B.C., the researchers say.
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    The project got its start when senior author Gregory Thomas of the University of California-Irvine visited the museum with Egyptian cardiologist Adel Allam.
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    When Allam, a devout Muslim, left the museum briefly to pray, he noticed a CT scanner in a trailer parked out back. The scanner had been used for other research. The idea for the project was born.
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    The project was funded by the National Bank of Egypt, the Mid America Heart Institute and scanner maker Siemens.
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    Each of the mummies was slid intact into a donut-shaped, six-slice CT scanner for a sequence of X-rays. "We didn't have to tell them to hold their breath," joked collaborator Samuel Wann of the Wisconsin Heart Hospital.

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    19 Nov 2009 11:20 AM
    Thanks John. This is not a surprise. Dr. Sears mentioned in one of his earlier books how it is estamated the ancient Egyptians, with their grainbesed diet, had about the same obesity rates we do today.
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    19 Nov 2009 11:20 AM
    Thanks John. This is not a surprise. Dr. Sears mentioned in one of his earlier books how it is estimated the ancient Egyptians, with their grainbesed diet, had about the same obesity rates we do today.
    Sue Knorr

    Lost 100 lbs 18 yrs ago, off BP meds, thanks to the Zone diet and Zone fish oil.

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    27 Nov 2009 01:15 PM
    AND ... here's the reason, agriculture is 10,000 years old, Egyptians only 5,000:
    (Though I disagree with evolution both Eades and Dr. Sears on evolution . . .
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    "The other main theme sounded throughout the book is the whole idea that humans are not made for consuming the amount of Carbs that we do today. The Eades make a good argument, which has been made by others, that agriculture is only a ten-thousand-year-old innovation, and that before this our ancestors were all hunter-gatherers, consuming primarily animals with perhaps a few wild vegetables nuts, seeds, and berries thrown in. Due to the slow pace of evolution and natural selection, they argue, our bodies have not caught up to the last ten thousand years of vastly increased carbohydrates in our diets from the farming of grains. They point out that anthropological finds bear out that those who lived before the advent of agriculture display strong bones, tall statures, perfect teeth and jaws, and no evidence of the diseases of modern man. On the contrary, even the inhabitants of ancient Egypt five thousand or so years ago, who lived on a mainly vegetarian, grain-based diet, show (or their mummies do, I should say), evidence of diabetes, heart disease, gum disease, crumbling bones, and many other maladies."

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    Michael
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    27 Nov 2009 10:14 PM
    You would think by now we would have evolved to be grain eaters.
    Mabye it will never happen though, because most homo sapiens reproduce before their diet kills them, keeping natural selection from having an effect...
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    28 Nov 2009 08:16 AM
    That is if you believe in the weak theory (only a theory) of evolution and not a supreme loving God who designed us as we are.

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    28 Nov 2009 02:48 PM
    Hi john
    I am a Christian believer too, I also accept what scientists say about evolution.
    How would you define evolution?
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    31 Dec 2009 08:39 AM
    Wow, this post is going back a bit, but I just saw it and find it interesting.

    I am also a Christian believer, and sometimes it is difficult to accept the theory of evolution.

    However, I was watching one of the NG shows yesterday, and there was an interesting program that discussed geneology, and that they were searching for "scientific Adam". Through DNA mapping, they have been able to identify a gene that all men carry, which apparently leads to the one man whom we all came from, they are calling him Adam. I can't recall now how long ago this "Adam" existed, but I believe it would be in proportion to what the Bible suggests.

    I think it is interesting, because I like to think that somewhere between science and the Bible, there is truth.
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    Julianne
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    07 Oct 2010 05:45 PM
    I switched to pre-agricultural food choices about 18 months ago, whereas zone diet with fish oil dealt to my health issues reducing them about 80%, taking out grains legumes and diary took me to 100%
    All my joint inflammation, PMS, menstrual pain disappeared completely!

    I had a huge ganglion cyst on my wrist it had been there for 10 years, it disappeared in weeks.
    My father - who is a huge zone diet fan, doctor and retired baptist minister and staunch creationist, despite that, and our differing beliefs about creation / evolution, he decided also to take out agricultural foods. My parents have both had further health improvements by following a Zone / Paleo diet.

    He was so impressed with my health improvements using paleo on top of the Zone diet

    I cant imagine early man arrived to find fields of wheat. He arrived in a garden (or forest) ripe for hunting and gathering. Whatever way you look at it, growing grains was not where we started.
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    07 Oct 2010 05:51 PM
    And this paper if you was the one that changed my mind

    http://www.thepaleodiet.com/article...rticle.pdf

    Also take a look at this exert from Robb Wolfs new book
    http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blo...mment_list

    explaining the problem with grains, and no we have not evolved to handle them.

    A gastroenterologist and allergy specialist in new zealand Dr Rodney Ford estimates that 1 in 10 people have a significant problem with gluten, not the usual 1 in 100 touted by other experts.


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