I have lost 30 pounds in the last 6 months and I am pretty well where I want to be.

I am quite happy with myself and do not look back or want it back.

However the weight loss seems more noticeable in my face and it has aged me.

Has anyone figured a remedy, short of plastic surgery and botock for the loose skin. Would moisturizing help.

What have other people done about it. I am sure other people are in the same situation. I know it can be a big secret, but it would really help others. Even discussing the surgery if any of you have gone through it. Thanks

Serge, you could try some toning creams. It isn't a permanent solution, but it may help.

Not everyone has the experience, Serge. It's very individual. I lost 100 pounds and don't have loose skin. From what I've heard there are many factors, such as one's skin elasticity (genetics play a part here), the amount of protien a person eats while losing the weight and the speed of the weight loss, to name a few.

The sagging is due to loss of collagen. Natural aging process. You can choose from some treatments to try and correct it. "Fraxel" energy can be applied to the face. This utilizes radiofrequency energy (recent technology will also utilize this plus laser light energy)to deliver "burns" below the skin in a "spot" pattern as to avoid actually creating burns on the surface. In other words in a quarter sized spot on your skin the burns will be delivered to say, 25 small spots. The skin has been injured, so the body will heal and collagen will be produced. This is the natural response to healing. (large burn scars don't wrinkle as they are full of collagen) These treatments aren't cheap, maybe $1000 per and you will likely need 3 or 4. Expect results in 6-12 months.
Another way to treat this is to use fillers such as Radiesse, Restylane, or Juvaderm. Basically they act as "bulk" to fill certain areas and soften the lines. Results are temporary, 6 months to 12 months max. Repeated treatments may induce collagen formation and may create more permanent results over time. Price can be anywhere $500 to several thousand depending on the amount of product used.
Botox is used for wrinkles and lines associated with facial expression, like "crows feet", frown lines, or forehead lines. Again, this is temporary- 3 to 4 months. Expect $200 to $300 per area.
Or you can go see the plastic surgeon and have some work done! Looking good isn't cheap!

From what I have heard, if you drink the right amount of water, your body will rehydrate itself, and will plump up sagging skin. I know Dr. Sear's suggest 64 oz per day. I would suggest making sure you are getting enough water in.

You might explore the hormone cream estriol. It is my understanding that it has an effect similar to botox. Can't say for sure. It has been awhile since I have read up on it.

Why not try Retin A. It also uses a buring effect on the top layer of the skin therefore unveiling a tighter look.

I HAVE THE EXACT SAME ISSUE & lost only 20 pds over 15 wks. I love my new body but hate my old saggy face... I'm nearly 50 so that has something to do with it. I get filler! Costs me about $700 and only last 6 months & boy can I tell when it's diminshed! I use Ret A, prevage, LOTS of good products... but the sagging is only helped by filler for me.

Go for anti aging treatment. Use good quality products & go for toning. Apply face mask & follow skin tightening process.

what is filler? and where in the hoot can you get Retin A, prevage, or collagen? I have a very big problem on my waist and on my stomach. I was very big there, and with the zone diet, i am still losing weight, thank god, literally, but now i have this very large mass of yuck hanging off my waist. I have not lost all the weight i am going to lose on the zone diet.i am going to keep going until i have lost the extra 110 lbs,i have been carrying around. I found a product on line called TrimSport and it is supposed to help with that very thing. But it is very expensive... $80 a bottle a month. Has anybody ever heard of it? Does anybody know if it really does work like they say it does. I am tempted to try it, but i do not want to be a victim of a scam. Please,...if anyone knows about this product please do not hesitate to send me an email to twildes@frontier.com
thank you.
teri

I don't believe that anything can get rid of that extra skin except plastic surgery. The older a person gets, the less elastic their skin is.

I was just reading about this on Dr. Sears website. I'm trying to remember, but it was about increasing protein to help the collagen, both in aging and in sagging skin. I will look and see if I can find the info again.

Here is a link that you might find helpful (from Mark's daily Apple):
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Hi Mark,
Excess skin after weight loss is a big topic in most weight loss communities, yet I rarely hear about it in the Primal community. Does the Primal lifestyle prevent excess skin? Are there any tips from either yourself or from the members of the community about avoiding or preventing excess skin after weight loss? I am currently approx 100 lbs overweight so this is something that really concerns me.
Gabrielle
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Rather than post the entire answer, here is the link, with some excerpts below it ... :
Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-...z1yT7Qo4K5
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-...z1yT7N7gVu
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Before getting into potential methods of treating and/or preventing excess skin after weight loss, let’s explore the phenomenon itself. What exactly is loose, or excess skin?
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Most cases of loose skin are actually just cases of excess subcutaneous body fat covered by skin. And because subcutaneous fat is “soft” fat, it is looser and easier to confuse with skin. It droops and jiggles and the skin that surrounds it conforms to its shape. That’s not to suggest that legitimately loose skin isn’t a real problem, because it is. But I would wager that many if not most cases of loose skin can be explained by overly stubborn deposits of subcutaneous fat.
Stubborn fat is actually a real thing. ...
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If your loose skin is thicker than a few millimeters, there is residual body fat. ...
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This isn’t really bad news, believe it or not. It actually means that you’re almost there. It means that your “loose skin” isn’t necessarily out of your control. ...
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That said, if your loose skin is paper thin, closer to the thickness of your eyelid or the back of your hand (about 1 mm thick), and resembles rolled up papyrus or parchment, you likely suffer from excess skin. What can be done to prevent or deal with actual excess skin?
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I have never heard of these procedures. Where do you get them? Do they cause scaring and what are the results? What is the best approach mentioned? Thanks, I have small frown areas that have sunken in due to lack of fat on my cheek bones (disappeared with weight loss).

Maureen, most of the procedures mentioned earlier in this thread would be done by a plastic surgeon.

My post referring to Mark's Daily Apple article does NOT involve surgery.
It has some very good insightful information!

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Posted By Linda on 21 Jun 2012 03:14 PM
I was just reading about this on Dr. Sears website. I'm trying to remember, but it was about increasing protein to help the collagen, both in aging and in sagging skin. I will look and see if I can find the info again.
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Well, I thought I posted it! But guess not. The first link in part is talking about collagen and the second one is about dry skin. I found both helpful.

http://drsears.com/tabId/399/itemId...tigue.aspx
http://drsears.com/tabId/399/itemId...-skin.aspx

I just wanted to say that I had sagging muscle and skin under my forearms, it used to swing. Grr.

After months of exercising and getting more toned, I noticed the sagging is much less and will continue to shrink.

I am not losing a lot of weight--I'm 150 lb right now and lost probably 5 to 10 lbs. So the sagging is due to ... age?

But the weight-lifting made a real difference.

Sarah

I just read the links posted by Linda.

Gelatin can help with wrinkling? I'm a bit confused here ... can someone, e.g., tech support, go into greater detail? How much, why, etc?

Thanks,
Sarah

Sarah, thanks for asking. I would like to know that also...

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Posted By Sarah on 06 Jul 2012 07:21 PM
I just read the links posted by Linda.

Gelatin can help with wrinkling? I'm a bit confused here ... can someone, e.g., tech support, go into greater detail? How much, why, etc?

Thanks,
Sarah
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Sarah

Gelatin is a form of collagen usually derived from animals. Our skin is composed of collagen, when gelatin is consumed (one packet of unflavored gelatin per day) it stimulates additional collagen production which may reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles.

Thank you Tech Support... I am going to start using one a day. It should work well mixed in a smoothy.

Plenty of protein in a packet of plain gelatin, I used to add it to smoothies before I started using protein powder.

Cran, I never thought to use it like that! Thanks for the idea!

Hi Cranberrycat,

I just got Gelatine by Knox at Superstore. Googling online, it seems that Gelatine is just the British spelling of gelatin.

Now ... I want to make sure I AM getting the right thing to help rebuild my sagging skin (not my arms or anywhere else, I even lost the cellulose on my legs (!!!!), but for my stomach, which is sagging. The more I pull in my stomach, the more it sags, wrinkles, etc. Ugh.

Ingreditents: only one is listed: gelatine.

It has zero carbs and 4 grams of protein in one little package (7.2 grams in the package).

It's a product of USA, so I don't understand why it's spelled gelatine and not gelatin. So I'm double-checking with you and anyone else--John?--who might know whether I DID get the right thing to help rebuild my sagging skin ... :-) Any information would be welcome.

This weekend: I'm gonna try to figure out how to, er, weight-lift my stomach ... LOL ... maybe a trainer? I'd rather not have a lot of loose skin as I continue to lose weight. I'm reading Mark's Daily Apple ... interesting :-)

Also, 4 grams of protein doesn't seem that much, but there are 4 packages in the box ...

Alexy

Tech support, any informatin you can provide would be great, too. Also, how many grams of gelatin should I consume per day? I have 7.2 grams of gelatin (which adds up to 4 grams of protein) per little package.

Alexy

Products in Britain are often the same, just relabeled for USA.
And vice versa.
Products in USA are often the same, just relabeled for Britain.
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I just checked my ox of KNOX Gelatine.
It is spelled the same as yours!
(I have it around, useful when I make my own Yogurt.)
Though my box says the serving size is 1/4 envelope (SILLY marketing!!!)
2 g P so 1 packet is about 8 g P
(rounding errors occur due to US laws allowing manufacturers to round up or down.
This is why serving sizes are often unrealistic, at least on USA labeled packages.
So Marketing can choose a serving size, no matter how unrealistic,
to make their product favorable as they desire!)
Any way, I digress - you have the same gelatin as we get here.
"Gelatine" must be KNOX's name for the product.
But the ingredient is the same, gelatin.

If I read the post, correctly.
It appears that 1 packet per day should be fine.

Thanks, John, for confirming that it's the same thing, that it's just a minor spelling difference.

And ...

My one package has a total of 4 grams of protein, a bit over 7 grams of getalin.

Your one package is 8 gms P. Don't know how many gms of getalin.

So I should have 2 packages a day then?

These packages come in a very small box .. . maybe that's why? Or ... ?

Yeah, they do round up or round down or however it is to "look good," I know ... lol

Alexy

I do not know how a day, I was referring to an earlier post.
Read the links, that might help.

yeah ... it's just that I have a lot on my platter right now, although it's getting MUCH easier recently ... lol ...

I'll review all the information here ...

alexy

By the way. It's not horrible actually to have a flabby stomach ... nobody sees it, really! Except in very special cases ... LOL

Alexy

Sarah, if you've recently lost the weight, it may also change a bit given some time.

Thanks, Sue! That's good to know. :-) Thanks for being reassuring. But, looks aren't the most important ... just that I don't want a big flabby stomach at the end of the weight loss process.

Sue, I'm not sure how fast I was losing the weight ... I wasn't paying attention. I was struggling with about, it turns out, 6 or 8 different health problems which influence each other ... I'm feeling a thousand times better now though ... getting there ... this is my fourth day on 2.5 grams of OmegaRx plus Seahealth Plus, I take 2 capsules, split them into the glass so the liquid is released, pour one tablespoon of SHP into it, as well as other things (turmeric mainly).

So 2 capsules after bkft, 2 capsules after supper.

My stools float sometimes ... sometimes sink. But are formed fully thus far.

Also ... Does anyone know HOW to drink/eat the gelatin(e)?

The instructions say that one envelope of Knox Gelatine will set 2 cups of liquid. Do I, like, have to do that--set it so it's firm--before I eat it?

Or just go ahead, pour it into a cup of water, and drink it ahead of time, before it's set?

Also, are there tasty ways of doing this ... ??? A kind of a pudding, or, I don't know, I do like Bengal tea, so I could try it with that ...

I need very clear explanation of how to go about doing this ... and also how many grams of protein and/or how many grams of gelatin I need per day ...

THanks!!!!!

Sarah, I'm curious. Why not just swallow the Omega Rx capsules whole?

My understanding was that releasing the liquid into the water/seahealth plus would help make it easier to emullify the too-large fat molecules.

Alexy

As far as the gelatin(e), I recall CeanCat stating she just used to pour the powder from the envelope into the blender and then drink her smoothie.
No witing for it to set.

Ah ... that's good to know there's no need to wait, LOL.

Is Cranberrycat on vacation? I haven't seen her here recently ... and I actually miss her chiming in! :-)

Alexy

I e-mailed her to check on her - she just said that she is in a very busy time at work.
But, I am sure she appreciates you asking about her.
Also, she is in Florida, I believe, and no idea which part.
They might have gotten some rain or a lot of rain from Hurricane Isaac.

Thanks, John, for checking in on her ... so it's probbaly the hurricane that's keeping her so busy ...

Alexy

Hey, guys, I'm fine! Just trying to get the kids ready for school to start, squeezing in some end of summer activities, work is busy, and have been trying to get the miles on on my bike. Other than that, not much going on...LOL!

Hey Cranberrycat, it's great to have you back! :-)

Glad to hear all is fine with you. Your leg?

Alexy

My leg is fine. No further signs of infection, and just some nasty scarring.

Hi Cranberrycat,

Awesome! Phew, too, as it WAS a concern ...

Now, gelatin ... you just dump it into your smoothie and drink it straight up right away?

No need to wait for it to set?

And, how many grams of plain gelatin does one need per day?

A

I don't use plain gelatin anymore, I usually add protein powder to those smoothies. However, I believe that it was in a recipe in "Mastering the Zone", it was a smoothie recipe that called for plain gelatin. Nope, you just add it, you don't have to let it set up like you do in jello recipes.

As far as how much one needs, I don't think it is a "needed" ingredient. I used it for an additional source of protein.

And, thanks for your concern! I will have to make sure that I give fair warning next time!

Today, last day of the "official" summer vacation for my kids, so we are thinking of driving over to the Merrimac Ferry, and then will see what other interesting things we can see/do over there. The ferry is a free ferry that travels over the Wisconsin River, in a spot of the river that is quite wide and there is a lack of bridges in this stretch of river. Fairly close to Madison, and so the communities in the area are kind of like bedroom communities for Madison. Although, the ferry does not operate in the winter, so those people have to go the long way to cross over at the bridges. I have seen the line for the ferry go VERY long on weekends, so it is really more of a tourist item, than a conveniece, as we waited about an hour to get across! They have an ice cream stand on one side, which does get good business.

And in closing out the summer, my wife who really does not see the point of going to the beach and lying on the sand, with the sun shining, and a light off-shore breeze gently blowing, with the waves crashing against the shore - relaxing and cathartic.
Well, we gave our son and his love a break, as they are (were) moving this weekend, by bearing the "burden" of watching our only grandson (20 months) and taking him to the beach, today. Shes said, "I must be getting older, I really enjoyed today!"
No, dear, it was the cute grandson, factor.
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At which point, I reminded her that her parents (Mother mostly) could not be bothered to come over from Leeds, UK to see us when we got married,
BUT, once we had their first grandson, they booked a flight as soon as they could!
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Anyway, I digress. Very relaxing, bring our own Zoned lunch, day.
And $6.00 for parking for a few hours, not bad.
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YES, spot the shameless proud Grandad - here's a link to the photo's.
OKay, back to your regularly scheduled Zone Topic.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...805&type=1

Hey John, you and your wife and your gson look like you guys are all having a great time!

Cranberrycat, sounds like a busy but great time for you, and glad to see you back!! :-)

We did, Thx!
And we topped the day off with a fantastic Zoned meal with both of our sons, our daughter-in-law over.
Some grass-fed burgers, a huge salad, mostly from our garden, and my wife's infamous (indulgent treat not Zoned) NY Cheesecake,
but it did have a grain-less crust (a recipe from Elana's Pantry, a website CranCat posted about in early summer. keeping the unfavorable carbs down to nothing, except the 4 oz of Red Wine. But with the cream cheese in the CheeseCake, Fat was high.
Better some high Fat than high empty carbs. So, all-in-all a great meal topping off a wonderfully pleasant day and 3-day holiday weekend.

Kewl! :-)

By the way CranCat, I have a modified Pizza Crust recipe, combined from the Elana's Pantry Almond Flour Pie Crust recipe and another Paleo Pizza Almod Flour recipe.
BUT, it is HIGH in fat, so I am not posting it, here. My wife likes it almost as much as the Cauliflower Pizza Crust recipe.
I might have to try and tweak it some; but, it will still be high in Fat.
The cauliflower is much more balanced and Zone friendly.
But, it does take more time and effort to make.

Thanks, John. Might be interested, however haven't had much spare time lately for trying new recipes.