Is that any good brands of pharmaceutical fish oil available in Canada? I have been looking in drug stores and health food,... and they all pretend to be the healthiest option. thanks

Check out pfgo.com

Hi thanks for the web site address, but it did not work. I would like to know which brands are approaved for used with the zone thanks

Is the product RxOmega by Natural Factors considered as a good supplement?

[quote:f6a4578367="rhlll"]Is the product RxOmega by Natural Factors considered as a good supplement?[/quote:f6a4578367] Some would say nearly as good, Others are definately against it. One strong vocal against it is, however, promoting her own product. There is a TOPIC on PGFO and NATURAL FACTORS. It might be best to read through the (3 pages of) discussion(s) and make up your own mind. FORUM Category: HEALTH TOPIC: Confirmation that Natural Factors RXOmega is PGFO

[quote:ec35a7aac3="rhlll"]Is the product RxOmega by Natural Factors considered as a good supplement?[/quote:ec35a7aac3] Also try: Forum Category: HEALTH TOPIC: Fish Oils - Does Brand Matter TOPIC: Consumer Reports Fish Oil Study

The only fish oil that Zone Labs "approves" is OmegaRx fish oil. Any other oils, we highly recommend you do all necesarry research in terms of contaminants and total EPA/DHA. Thanks

Thank you for the support. I know that the one that is approaved for The Zone is OmegaRx, however it is not available in Canada. It would cost me an incredible amount of money anyway to order it via proxy. The problem is that,... when I look over the web site and find datas for different brands,... They look all right. I am particularly scared of toxines and heavy metal like mercury and lead. I got many health problems (I even had a kidney translpant,... and a cancer when I had 9), and I don't want to take the risk to use a product that can contaminate me. I find it comfusing to go all over the Forums by myself, even if I have a basic scientific background, and wide experience of lab and blood analysis. There are people making annoncements of their own products, comparing a single trial test to 5 of Sears Lab tests. I know that everybody is basicly responsible for their own choice,... however I want to do the best for by health. I have checked at www.ifosprogram.com for the analysis, and at the first view CLearwater and Sears Lab have a similar score when Mighty Bite failed on one aspect. I have contacted sears lab in the past, and I have been told that the product woul be available in Canada in the future,... when is this project due? I would like to know (an honest and professional answer please), if Clearwater is a good alternative to Sears Lab,... or else if it could be possible to order from Sears Lab in bulk Sincerely yours

tough call due to commercial interests. there's been a lot of discussion on forums about this matter. I'm not a professional, but you seem to have researched your subject well. -C.

Hi RHill, [quote:2ee9704d6c] There are people making annoncements of their own products, comparing a single trial test to 5 of Sears Lab tests. Sincerely yours[/quote:2ee9704d6c] The concept of batch testing is very important. The test results for the batch you are consuming is all that affects YOUR health. Certainly past tests demonstrate consistent good performance. But the current test is really the only one that matters to YOU. I notice the second batch for Clearwater also tested just as good, so you can be assured of a high quality product from them White Light

hi--i have been looking for canada source pgfo also. have checked out clearwater on the net and it looks to be a good product but only available on the net--also found [b:c61879c1a7]molecularly distilled fish oil by 'nordic naturals'[/b:c61879c1a7]--they also make a product for children ages 2 and up called 'dha juniour' will send more info when i get a chance (am in the midst of a move to ottawa) by the way [b:c61879c1a7]this fish oil was found at an ottawa pharmacy[/b:c61879c1a7] which does mainstream prescriptions but also is very invlolved with alternative solutions--called [b:c61879c1a7]'Nutrichem'[/b:c61879c1a7] they are on Richmond Road in Ottawa (and also have an internet site).p

This site has certified oils http://www.nutrasource.ca/ifos_new/index.cfm ehn's o3Mega is distributed by the same people that offer Greens+. The standard appears to exceed normals

Hi Old Dieter, [quote:7158ceed23="olddieter"]This site has certified oils http://www.nutrasource.ca/ifos_new/index.cfm ehn's o3Mega is distributed by the same people that offer Greens+. The standard appears to exceed normals[/quote:7158ceed23] This product is certainly free of toxins and can be safely used. It does however only contain 300 mgs Omega 3 per 1000mg Fish Oil so you will be consumeing a lot of saturated fat. The A M B Well product tested above it contains 600mg Omega 3 for every 1000mg FO Thats right, twice as much !! So the ehn product would not represent value even at 1/2 the price White Light

[quote:747209c1e3="White Light"] This product is certainly free of toxins and can be safely used. It does however only contain 300 mgs Omega 3 per 1000mg Fish Oil so you will be consumeing a lot of saturated fat. The A M B Well product tested above it contains 600mg Omega 3 for every 1000mg FO Thats right, twice as much !! So the ehn product would not represent value even at 1/2 the price [/quote:747209c1e3] Because the product is half as concentrated, I believe you need to double the purity scores to compare products?

Hi Scott, [quote:a76cd3f47f="Scott"][quote:a76cd3f47f="White Light"] This product is certainly free of toxins and can be safely used. It does however only contain 300 mgs Omega 3 per 1000mg Fish Oil so you will be consumeing a lot of saturated fat. The A M B Well product tested above it contains 600mg Omega 3 for every 1000mg FO Thats right, twice as much !! So the ehn product would not represent value even at 1/2 the price [/quote:a76cd3f47f] Because the product is half as concentrated, I believe you need to double the purity scores to compare products?[/quote:a76cd3f47f] Technically you are 100% correct Practically this is unachieveable, between these two products. White Light

[quote:6a9974a70b="White Light"] Because the product is half as concentrated, I believe you need to double the purity scores to compare products?[/quote:6a9974a70b] [quote:6a9974a70b]Technically you are 100% correct Practically this is unachieveable, between these two products. [/quote:6a9974a70b] I am not sure I follow what you mean by unachievable? For instance, PCBs for a batch of OmegaRX came in at less than .04ppb for its given concentration. Ehn came it at .04, but I would imagine that given half the concentration, it would be .08 ppb??

Hi Scott, [quote:1ab35e1ad6="Scott"][quote:1ab35e1ad6="White Light"] Because the product is half as concentrated, I believe you need to double the purity scores to compare products?[/quote:1ab35e1ad6] [quote:1ab35e1ad6]Technically you are 100% correct Practically this is unachieveable, between these two products. [/quote:1ab35e1ad6] I am not sure I follow what you mean by unachievable? For instance, PCBs for a batch of OmegaRX came in at less than .04ppb for its given concentration. Ehn came it at .04, but I would imagine that given half the concentration, it would be .08 ppb??[/quote:1ab35e1ad6] I thought we agreed that EHN needed to be .02 ppb to be the equivilent of .04 of Omega Rx That's why I sait it was practically unacheieveable. White Light

[quote:25f1b35f9d] For instance, PCBs for a batch of OmegaRX came in at less than .04ppb for its given concentration. Ehn came it at .04, but I would imagine that given half the concentration, it would be .08 ppb??[/quote:25f1b35f9d] [quote:25f1b35f9d] I thought we agreed that EHN needed to be .02 ppb to be the equivilent of .04 of Omega Rx That's why I sait it was practically unacheieveable.[/quote:25f1b35f9d] My mistake, I misunderstood what you meant. Yes, for a 30% concentrate to be equated to a .04 ppm of 60%, the score would need to come in at .02. But unacheivable? Ascentas latest batch hit .023. Though a number of ZoneLabs and SYW came well under .046 (.023*2).

[quote:f10e9ba7c0="rhlll"]I have contacted sears lab in the past, and I have been told that the product woul be available in Canada in the future,... when is this project due? I would like to know (an honest and professional answer please), if Clearwater is a good alternative to Sears Lab,... or else if it could be possible to order from Sears Lab in bulk Sincerely yours[/quote:f10e9ba7c0] From what I've heard, Sears brand is an EE-based product and illegal in Canada. So don't hold your breath about when it would be available. (The government takes their nonsense seriously!) Not until one or the other changes.

We had anticipated the sale of our fish oil to Canada some time ago. However we are not sure when it will be available. Sorry for any incoveniences. Staff

[quote:836f91d10a="White Light"]Hi Arisen, It is about the same price but DOUBLE the strength. And it is legal in ALL countries including Canada. and USA White Light [/quote:836f91d10a] Thanks, I didn't know about this one. The only thing is that I can get the one I mentioned at my local store at a discount and save on shipping too. :wink: Good find tho.

I just joined this forum and would like to buy some fish oil in Canada. It's odd because the "see yourself well" fish oil is sold for more expensive on Anne-Marie's website (42.95 CA) then the same "see youself well" fish oil from midwest. (21.75 USD) I've looked at all the website's posted and I'm still not sure where to buy my fish oil from. Any suggestions??? Thanks :lol:

[quote:0e8e9413b4="Sarah04"]I just joined this forum and would like to buy some fish oil in Canada. It's odd because the "see yourself well" fish oil is sold for more expensive on Anne-Marie's website (42.95 CA) then the same "see youself well" fish oil from midwest. (21.75 USD) I've looked at all the website's posted and I'm still not sure where to buy my fish oil from. Any suggestions??? Thanks :lol:[/quote:0e8e9413b4] Hey Sarah, I’m getting the [url=http://www.ascentahealth.com/Products/NutraSea.html]500 ml NutraSea oil[/url] at my local health store for $29 CND (I'm in Toronto). Being a Canadian company I guess you can maybe ask your store to order it for you. I find it very convenient, and excellent value for money.

Hi Sarah, 21.75US or 42.95 Can This is not a hard decision White Light [quote:b38abd7ead="Sarah04"]I just joined this forum and would like to buy some fish oil in Canada. It's odd because the "see yourself well" fish oil is sold for more expensive on Anne-Marie's website (42.95 CA) then the same "see youself well" fish oil from midwest. (21.75 USD) I've looked at all the website's posted and I'm still not sure where to buy my fish oil from. Any suggestions??? Thanks :lol:[/quote:b38abd7ead]

Hi Arisen. The product you are using is 30% good heart healthy fat Any idea what the other 70% is ? An ultra refined CONCENTRATE would be a better choice White Light quote="arisen"][quote:00949f5177="Sarah04"]I just joined this forum and would like to buy some fish oil in Canada. It's odd because the "see yourself well" fish oil is sold for more expensive on Anne-Marie's website (42.95 CA) then the same "see youself well" fish oil from midwest. (21.75 USD) I've looked at all the website's posted and I'm still not sure where to buy my fish oil from. Any suggestions??? Thanks :lol:[/quote:00949f5177] Hey Sarah, I’m getting the [url=http://www.ascentahealth.com/Products/NutraSea.html]500 ml NutraSea oil[/url] at my local health store for $29 CND (I'm in Toronto). Being a Canadian company I guess you can maybe ask your store to order it for you. I find it very convenient, and excellent value for money.[/quote]

Hey White Light, I don’t see the extra 2 g of fat (Saturated, Omega-6, Monounsaturated and Cholesterol) having any significant impact on the average diet. Don’t get me wrong, I agree that the SYW is a better oil. Is it worth paying double for the same overall amount of EPA/DHA? Well, that’s a decision everyone has to make on his or her own. Passing IFOS standards is good enough for me. But to each its own. :wink: [quote:d09dc5ada1="White Light"]Hi Arisen. The product you are using is 30% good heart healthy fat Any idea what the other 70% is ? An ultra refined CONCENTRATE would be a better choice White Light [/quote:d09dc5ada1]

Hi arisen, On the average diet IMO an extra 2g Sat fat and cholesterol is very significant on a DAILY basis. but certainly for someone on a LOW saturated fat diet 2g may in fact be a good thing. We agree to each their own, I can think of far nicer choices for my very limited saturated fat intake, than having it as a by product of my supplimentation. BTW The source i quoted you is far more cost effective on EPA DHA on my figures. Why pay RETAIL ? White Light [quote:61942ae35e="arisen"]Hey White Light, I don’t see the extra 2 g of fat (Saturated, Omega-6, Monounsaturated and Cholesterol) having any significant impact on the average diet. Don’t get me wrong, I agree that the SYW is a better oil. Is it worth paying double for the same overall amount of EPA/DHA? Well, that’s a decision everyone has to make on his or her own. Passing IFOS standards is good enough for me. But to each its own. :wink: [quote:61942ae35e="White Light"]Hi Arisen. The product you are using is 30% good heart healthy fat Any idea what the other 70% is ? An ultra refined CONCENTRATE would be a better choice White Light [/quote:61942ae35e][/quote:61942ae35e]

I think that's were we might have a misunderstanding. From what I see with the Omega-Midwest SYW you get about 2.5 g of EPA+DHA per USD, but with the NutraSea you get 4.1 g per USD. As they both passed IFOS; shouldn’t a person on a budget (like me :) ) go for the better value? Am I missing something? [quote:4c4e4305bd="White Light"]BTW The source i quoted you is far more cost effective on EPA DHA on my figures. Why pay RETAIL ? [/quote:4c4e4305bd]

[quote:60f85f3f89="arisen"]I think that's were we might have a misunderstanding. From what I see with the Omega-Midwest SYW you get about 2.5 g of EPA+DHA per USD, but with the NutraSea you get 4.1 g per USD. As they both passed IFOS; shouldn’t a person on a budget (like me :) ) go for the better value? Am I missing something? [quote:60f85f3f89="White Light"]BTW The source i quoted you is far more cost effective on EPA DHA on my figures. Why pay RETAIL ? [/quote:60f85f3f89][/quote:60f85f3f89] For the See Yourself Well product, capsules, for example: You get 400/200 EPA/DHA per capsule. That's 600 g per 1,000 g or 60%. With the NutraSea you get 200/125 EPA/DHA per capsule. That's 325 g per ??? NutraSea doesn't diplay the total g of each capsule. So you'd have to get that information to compare. If it's not 60%, then it has more impurities. Have a look at RX Omega-3 by Natural Factors, available at iHerb.com. It is 60% (400/200) and at $15.00 per 120 casules, a good value. Free Shipping for orders over $20.00 USD/USA. Don't know about S+H to Canada. and where does WL come up with synthetic...

There are other things to consider; read this article about bioavailability: [url]http://www.ascentahealth.com/Health...;/url] It's interesting, I don't know if it's true, of course you'd expect them to toot their own horn, but they do back it up with some references.

The impaired hydrolysis of ethyl esters is well recognized. Just curious, arisen, the store sells 500ml for $29 CDN but on-line from Ascenta its $39? My math for comparative purposes is a bit different. 500ml*30% concentrate=150ml = 72g* EPA/DHA/$23.20** = 3.1g per USD (using Ascentas price (39CDN/31USD) = 2.3g per USD) *150ml * 2.4g/5ml = 72g **local store price of 29CDN = 23.20USD (1.2502 May4 Xrate)

[quote:bc8a5e7494="Scott"]The impaired hydrolysis of ethyl esters is well recognized.[/quote:bc8a5e7494]Aren’t the SYW and OmegaRX molecularly distilled, hence synthetic ethyl esters, as the article claims? [quote:bc8a5e7494="Scott"]Just curious, arisen, the store sells 500ml for $29 CDN but on-line from Ascenta its $39?[/quote:bc8a5e7494]Yes correct. Well, $29.99 actually :D [quote:bc8a5e7494="Scott"] My math for comparative purposes is a bit different. 500ml*30% concentrate=150ml = 72g* EPA/DHA/$23.20** = 3.1g per USD (using Ascentas price (39CDN/31USD) = 2.3g per USD) *150ml * 2.4g/5ml = 72g **local store price of 29CDN = 23.20USD (1.2502 May4 Xrate)[/quote:bc8a5e7494]Here are my calculations: [size=10:bc8a5e7494]Label claims: EPA 800mg and DHA 500mg for 5 mL serving, so: 1.3g EPA+DHA per serving * 100 servings (500mL bottle) = 130g per bottle at 39 CND or 31 USD divided comes to 4.2 g per USD[/size:bc8a5e7494] Your math is good, but where did you get the [b:bc8a5e7494]30%[/b:bc8a5e7494] and [b:bc8a5e7494]2.4g/5ml[/b:bc8a5e7494] figures?

[quote:e50bc76435="arisen"]Aren’t the SYW and OmegaRX molecularly distilled, hence synthetic ethyl esters, as the article claims?[/quote:e50bc76435] To produce a concentrated fish oil it must be ethylated. Some brands, like SYW are then re-esterified back into a triglyceride. [quote:e50bc76435="arisen"]]Here are my calculations: [size=10:e50bc76435]Label claims: EPA 800mg and DHA 500mg for 5 mL serving, so: 1.3g EPA+DHA per serving * 100 servings (500mL bottle) = 130g per bottle at 39 CND or 31 USD divided comes to 4.2 g per USD[/size:e50bc76435] Your math is good, but where did you get the [b:e50bc76435]30%[/b:e50bc76435] and [b:e50bc76435]2.4g/5ml[/b:e50bc76435] figures?[/quote:e50bc76435] SInce Nutrasea is 30% EPA and DHA, I came up with 150ml of EPA/DHA per bottle (500*30%). I then converted the EPA/DHA to grams. But it appears I may have cut the concentration in half twice :oops:

HI John, .[quote:f975a8c5c5] Have a look at RX Omega-3 by Natural Factors, available at iHerb.com. Don't know about S+H to Canada.[/quote:f975a8c5c5] S & H to Canada is irelevant. Synthetic supliments are ilegal there so your "cheap substitute" does not cut the mustard! White Light

Hi Arisen, I checked your figures and can confirn that "yours" is the most cost effective certified product on the market so far, for long chain Omega 3's However IMO most people would prefer to pay a little more for a better product. Reasons. 1 "yours" is in liquid form so will be Rancid within 28 days of opening. Given that they sell 100 servings at a time 72% of it will be wasted unless more than 1 person is simultainiously takeing it. 2 The Cholesterol in this product is at such a high level that The blood profile of any user will deteriorate. 3 that saturated fat content is so high that it will cause weight gain rather than the weight loss, as a concentrate would produce. But, as we agree, to each their own. White Light [quote:6c30f3a45e="arisen"][quote:6c30f3a45e="Scott"]The impaired hydrolysis of ethyl esters is well recognized.[/quote:6c30f3a45e]Aren’t the SYW and OmegaRX molecularly distilled, hence synthetic ethyl esters, as the article claims? [quote:6c30f3a45e="Scott"]Just curious, arisen, the store sells 500ml for $29 CDN but on-line from Ascenta its $39?[/quote:6c30f3a45e]Yes correct. Well, $29.99 actually :D [quote:6c30f3a45e="Scott"] My math for comparative purposes is a bit different. 500ml*30% concentrate=150ml = 72g* EPA/DHA/$23.20** = 3.1g per USD (using Ascentas price (39CDN/31USD) = 2.3g per USD) *150ml * 2.4g/5ml = 72g **local store price of 29CDN = 23.20USD (1.2502 May4 Xrate)[/quote:6c30f3a45e]Here are my calculations: [size=10:6c30f3a45e]Label claims: EPA 800mg and DHA 500mg for 5 mL serving, so: 1.3g EPA+DHA per serving * 100 servings (500mL bottle) = 130g per bottle at 39 CND or 31 USD divided comes to 4.2 g per USD[/size:6c30f3a45e] Your math is good, but where did you get the [b:6c30f3a45e]30%[/b:6c30f3a45e] and [b:6c30f3a45e]2.4g/5ml[/b:6c30f3a45e] figures?[/quote:6c30f3a45e]

This is all so confusing. So many specifications to consider! I've been reading the forums and trying to decide on the best as well as a cost effective fish oil I can find in Canada. Most places in the States do not ship to Canada. (the cheaper SYW I had found in the states) I decided to go with the "See Yourself Well" fish oil from Anne-Marie. She was having a special last week. For every bottle of 500mg omega 3 (240capsules) you recieve the 1000mg (90capsules) free. The only thing is that the 1000mg bottle has a drug Identification number whereas the 500mg bottle doesn't. Could they just have forgotten to state it on the bottle?

[quote:046b2e30e9="Sarah04"]This is all so confusing. So many specifications to consider! [/quote:046b2e30e9] I understand your frustration. Just choose from those here: www.ifosprogram.com

Thank you Scott! :D

[quote:2d408146e2="White Light"] However IMO most people would prefer to pay a little more for a better product. Reasons. 1 "yours" is in liquid form so will be Rancid within 28 days of opening. Given that they sell 100 servings at a time 72% of it will be wasted unless more than 1 person is simultainiously takeing it. 2 The Cholesterol in this product is at such a high level that The blood profile of any user will deteriorate. 3 that saturated fat content is so high that it will cause weight gain rather than the weight loss, as a concentrate would produce. White Light [/quote:2d408146e2] Points # 2 & 3 are simply not true. What elevates one's cholesterol level and deteriorates one's cholesterol profile is #1. elevated insulin levels and #2. a high consumption of saturated fats. The earlier stated 2 grams of extra saturated fat would not significantly impact cholesterol levels or fat gain as you say if insulin is controled through the Zone diet on a regular basis. That being said, I would still take Dr.Sears' Omega Rx Fish Oil #1 and then SYW as a second choice especially if the daily doses are not too high (i.e. 2.5g/day maintainance dose). As I have said before, I know that the reason we know so much about the benefits of FO, controlling and reducing silent inflammation and alleviating or eliminating the symptoms of so many "diseases" or ailments is because of all the research that has been done and Dr.Sears who is at the forefront of delivering this information to the masses with his great books and the daily help he provides on his websites... Because of that, because I trust that Dr.Sears has the health of the people at heart and because I believe Dr.Sears is commited to making the best products out there, I choose to buy Omega Rx. Again not trying to start anything here and discussing the different options is relevant but this is my opinion and personal situation. Pat

Thanks for you sincere comments Pat. [quote:08923c4586="itsallaboutbalance"] What elevates one's cholesterol level and deteriorates one's cholesterol profile is #1. elevated insulin levels and #2. a high consumption of saturated fats. [/quote:08923c4586] To clarify, #2 is not supported by the available evidence. The saturated fat Stearic acid (18:0) has not been shown to be hypercholesterolemic (1), and in fact may lower cholesterol because of its ability to inhibt the absorption of cholesterol (2). Palmitic (16:0) is generally believed to have cholesterol raising properties. Myristic (14:0) and Lauric acid (12:0) have shown to be hypercholesterolemic in some studies, but not all, and in those cases where cholesterol increases, HDL increases as well (3). Saturated fats with less than 12 carbons are generally believed not to raise serum cholesterol (4). But I digress... (1) Grundy SM [i:08923c4586]"Influence of stearic acid on cholesterol metabolism relative to other long-chain fatty acids"[/i:08923c4586] AJCN 1994 Dec 60(6 Suppl) (2) German JB, et al [i:08923c4586]"Saturated fats: what dietary intake?"[/i:08923c4586] AJCN 2004 Sep; 80(3)550-559 (3) Temme EH, et al [i:08923c4586]"Comparison of the effects of diets enriched in lauric, palmitic, or oleic acids on serum lipids and lipoproteins in healthy men and women" [/i:08923c4586]AJCN 1996 Jun;63(6):897-903 (4) Nicolosi RJ [i:08923c4586]"Dietary fat saturation effects on low-density-lipoprotein concentrations and metabolism in various animal models" [/i:08923c4586]AJCN May;65(5 Suppl)

And thank you for the clarification and thorough research once again ;-) Pat [quote:df1547fee6="Scott"]Thanks for you sincere comments Pat. [quote:df1547fee6="itsallaboutbalance"] What elevates one's cholesterol level and deteriorates one's cholesterol profile is #1. elevated insulin levels and #2. a high consumption of saturated fats. [/quote:df1547fee6] To clarify, #2 is not supported by the available evidence. The saturated fat Stearic acid (18:0) has not been shown to be hypercholesterolemic (1), and in fact may lower cholesterol because of its ability to inhibt the absorption of cholesterol (2). Palmitic (16:0) is generally believed to have cholesterol raising properties. Myristic (14:0) and Lauric acid (12:0) have shown to be hypercholesterolemic in some studies, but not all, and in those cases where cholesterol increases, HDL increases as well (3). Saturated fats with less than 12 carbons are generally believed not to raise serum cholesterol (4). But I digress... (1) Grundy SM [i:df1547fee6]"Influence of stearic acid on cholesterol metabolism relative to other long-chain fatty acids"[/i:df1547fee6] AJCN 1994 Dec 60(6 Suppl) (2) German JB, et al [i:df1547fee6]"Saturated fats: what dietary intake?"[/i:df1547fee6] AJCN 2004 Sep; 80(3)550-559 (3) Temme EH, et al [i:df1547fee6]"Comparison of the effects of diets enriched in lauric, palmitic, or oleic acids on serum lipids and lipoproteins in healthy men and women" [/i:df1547fee6]AJCN 1996 Jun;63(6):897-903 (4) Nicolosi RJ [i:df1547fee6]"Dietary fat saturation effects on low-density-lipoprotein concentrations and metabolism in various animal models" [/i:df1547fee6]AJCN May;65(5 Suppl)[/quote:df1547fee6]

Still, fact is that15mg of cholesterol, is a very small amount that will not make a difference in anyone’s diet, much less deteriorate the “blood profile”. The same with 2g of saturated fat (although a bit more significant then cholesterol). Also oil in liquid form can be stored in the freezer and it does not go rancid for a very long while.

Hi Arisen, A few important FACTS 2g of your health grade FO will provide 600mg of long chain omega 3 whereas Dr. Sears says you need 2400mg. If you increase the dose 4* so that you get the omega 3 you actually need, you increase the Cholesterol 4* and the Sat fat 4* Sure at 2 caps a day health grade won't do you any harm, trouble is, it won't do you any good either !. As for storing in the freezer, kindly check with the manufacturer. They will advise that refrigerator is best. Freezing oxides fish oil. White Light [quote:1a31104fbc="arisen"]Still, fact is that15mg of cholesterol, is a very small amount that will not make a difference in anyone’s diet, much less deteriorate the “blood profile”. The same with 2g of saturated fat (although a bit more significant then cholesterol). Also oil in liquid form can be stored in the freezer and it does not go rancid for a very long while.[/quote:1a31104fbc]

[quote:677027694f="White Light"]HI John, .[quote:677027694f] Have a look at RX Omega-3 by Natural Factors, available at iHerb.com. Don't know about S+H to Canada.[/quote:677027694f] S & H to Canada is irelevant. Synthetic supliments are ilegal there so your "cheap substitute" does not cut the mustard! White Light[/quote:677027694f] 1.) Why are you so negative and always putting down others. This is supposed to be a postive experience for users. Your tone is unappreciated. 2.) R U saying synthetic, because it is ethyl ester? So then is Dr. Sears. So you are saying that his is expensive synthetic which does not cut the mustard!

Hi Jay ![quote:b3b72632b2] 1.) Why are you so negative and always putting down others. This is supposed to be a postive experience for users. Your tone is unappreciated. 2.) R U saying synthetic, because it is ethyl ester? So then is Dr. Sears. So you are saying that his is expensive synthetic which does not cut the mustard![/quote:b3b72632b2] 1 This is just YOUR perception. I am all for this being a positive experience for users. However, you recommended an illegal product from a company willing to flout the law. End result - when the product gets confiscated the customer has a very NEGATIVE experience. 2 Yes ethyl ester is synthetic. That's what I did say. The Sears product while being ethyl ester has proven positive benefits. However, the good people at Dr. Sears respect the law, and do not attemt to sell it illegally in Canada. White Light

Dubya-L doesn't need me to defend him, but I can attest he has always been unbelievable positive and helpful in the face of antagonism and derision. And not just mine. :wink: As for finding quality PGFO in Canada at the best price, including S&H, there is no source better than [url]www.pgfo.com[/url] . For those south of 49th parallel there is [url]http://www.omega-midwest.com[/url] . Both companies ship to both countries. As for Canada's import restrictions being "silly" compared to those of the States, let's talk about that some night over a Havana cigar.

[quote:e59e28d30b="White Light"]Why pay RETAIL ?[/quote:e59e28d30b] Retail is for suckers! 8)

I use RXOmega-3 Factors. It comes from Canada and I can buy it at Vitamin Cottage in Colorado.

56 Capsules @ $19.88 Each Capsule 1000.0 mg TOTAL OMEGA-3 FATTY ACIDS 600.0 mg EPA (EICOSAPENTAENOIC ACID) 280.0 mg DHA (DOCOSAHEXAENOIC ACID) 235.0 mg 1.) Dr. Sears recommends a 60% Omega 3 with a 40/20 split EPA/DHA These are not 40/20. 2.) 280 + 235 = 515. What are the remaining 85 mg of Omega 3? 3.) 56 Capsules @ $19.88 compare to ..... Natural Factors of 120 Capsules @ $16.00. (or even the more costly See Your Self Well - is still cheaper than these.)

Hi John, I don't know about the remaining 85 mg of Omega 3 but I'll try to find out. Meanwhile, as you know, everyone has their own recommendations about everything under the sun. Personally, I chose to go with the advice of and products made by a renowned scientist who grew up to 40 billion human cells every day for over 25 years keeping them completely healthy by bathing them in a "nutritional soup" he developd that provided them with all the nutrients they required to be nourished and protected so they could carry out their intended functions. He also developed (and set the worldwide "gold standard" for developing) infectious disease tests and assays, over 30 of them used in 35 countries worldwide. In addition, the EFA oil and Fish Oil supplements are not farmed out to someone else to make or slap a private label on. He manufactures them in his own FDA registered facility according to Pharmaceutical Grade cGMPs, the strictest standard, far more so than Food Grade GMPs which most supplements are manufactured according to. The fish oil supplements are "double distilled" to assure all impurities are removed, such as mercury, arsenic, lead, cadmium, toxins, etc. Take care, Michael 1.) Dr. Sears recommends a 60% Omega 3 with a 40/20 split EPA/DHA These are not 40/20. 2.) 280 + 235 = 515. What are the remaining 85 mg of Omega 3? 3.) 56 Capsules @ $19.88 compare to ..... Natural Factors of 120 Capsules @ $16.00. (or even the more costly See Your Self Well - is still cheaper than these.) _________________ ><> ----- <>< ~john d. p. Col. 3:23-24 http://www.pilla.name <>< -------------------- ><>

[color=darkred:407f6a495f]Do you have any IFOS consumer reports from IFOS testing done on the "consumer ready" product. I looked for it on the IFOS site but saw none. [/color:407f6a495f]

[quote:cb3c8cbb8b="TenthMan"] Regarding the "rest of the Omega-3" you asked about, they are in the forms of Omega 6s and 9s. [/quote:cb3c8cbb8b] The above explanation doesn't make sense. The remaining 85mg of omega-3s John inquired about is likely ALA. The remaining 40% of the 1000mg may be comprised of omega-6 and omega-9.

Also, TenthMan seems to be somewhat of a "rookie" regarding his knowledge of Fish Oils and Omega 3's... Still talking about the fact that people need to take half the pills to get the same amount we used to... I mean, this whole thread has been talking about the different 60% concentrates available and he is talking about how "revolutionary" his claimed but seemingly less than 60% concentrates are... Not here to diss him or his product but one thing is clear is that he is coming on these forums to make a pretty hard core sale of his own product not contributing any helpful info for the people... Moderators need to come in and correct the situation or at the very least educate TenthMan on how things work around here. TenthMan, Dr.Sears is a lipid researcher at the core and has been a pioneer in high concentration ultra purified FO for many years now and has his product tested by an independant 3rd party to verify the purity and concentration. I know his credentials speak for themselves. This whole thread is about finding pure sources that people can trust. The ones that seem to stand out as the best are Omega Rx and See Yourself Well both tested by Nutrasource*. Pat * I don't think that the See Yourself Well brand can be considered tested by a 3rd party because Nutrasource is also the main distributor of the See Yourself Brand which means they are testing their own product in the end... I still have a tendency to trust that it is a good product but not really 3rd party tested, more like self-tested...

Hi Pat, While I totally agree with you that the Sears Product and the See Yourself Well product are the highest quality, I must disagree with you about Nutrasource being the Main distributor of SYW I do believe that the clear conflict of interest to which you refer, related to the Clearwater brand. White Light. * I don't think that the See Yourself Well brand can be considered tested by a 3rd party because Nutrasource is also the main distributor of the See Yourself Brand which means they are testing their own product in the end... I still have a tendency to trust that it is a good product but not really 3rd party tested, more like self-tested...[/quote]

Know this forum is for the exchange of information, and not to promote ones own product. Links to other products will be removed. CN

WL, Clearwater is the old name for the SYW brand. They changed the name to See Yourself Well at around the same time they associated themselves with Dr.Barnard. Nutrasource (or NDI) distributed the Clearwater brand name and they now distribute the SYW brand name. It is the same product just with a different name. But you know this, don't you. There is not necessarily a conflict of interest but we definitely cannot say that it is 3rd party tested. It is self tested with results posted so people can see. There is no way at all to verify the results so this makes me think of a quote from one of my favorite movies: "I can get a good look at at T-bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass... but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it." I guess we need to take their word for it and I believe they are legit even with the possibility of a conflict of interest. This is just another reason for which Dr.Sears' Omega Rx is #1 in my books even though it may be a bit more expensive. Pat [quote:a89ba77648="White Light"] I must disagree with you about Nutrasource being the Main distributor of SYW I do believe that the clear conflict of interest to which you refer, related to the Clearwater brand. [/quote:a89ba77648]

[quote:9bd90a9457="itsallaboutbalance"]WL, ... but we definitely cannot say that it is 3rd party tested. It is self tested with results posted so people can see. There is no way at all to verify the results so this makes me think of a quote from one of my favorite movies: "I can get a good look at at T-bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass... but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it." I guess we need to take their word for it and I believe they are legit even with the possibility of a conflict of interest. [/quote:9bd90a9457] As such we have the same thing here for Natural Factors as we do for See Yourself Well. It is self-tested. And Natural Factors has reported their results. Therefore if I am to trust SYW, then I am also to trust NF for their results, which I do.

Hi Pat, .[quote:6ec4dcdc33] Clearwater is the old name for the SYW brand. They changed the name to See Yourself Well at around the same time they associated themselves with Dr.Barnard..[/quote:6ec4dcdc33] The Clearwater brand was owned by Clearwater fine foods and the SYW brand is owned by Dr. Barnard. and the Omega Rx brand is Owned By Dr. Sears . All are ONC produced products produced to the strictest quality control standards in the world.and tested under the IFOS program. .[quote:6ec4dcdc33] Nutrasource (or NDI) distributed the Clearwater brand name and they now distribute the SYW brand name. It is the same product just with a different name. But you know this, don't you..[/quote:6ec4dcdc33] The SYW product is distributed by a company Carla precludes me from nameing NOT NDI I can quote www.nutrasourse.ca or www.ifosprogram.com all day but the moment i mention the actual distributor that info gets deleted ! .[quote:6ec4dcdc33] This is just another reason for which Dr.Sears' Omega Rx is #1 in my books even though it may be a bit more expensive.[/quote:6ec4dcdc33] You will do well with this product it undergoes the identical INDEPENDENT testing that all the other listed products on IFOS undergo. It is a consistent high performer. I post only to correct your missconception that NDI is the SYW distributor They are the Independent tester for all International Fish oil standards and any other claimed testers lack credibility as any of the Sears people will gladly tell you. White Light

[quote:8ee448df94="White Light"] The Clearwater brand was owned by Clearwater fine foods and the SYW brand is owned by Dr. Barnard. and the Omega Rx brand is Owned By Dr. Sears . All are ONC produced products produced to the strictest quality control standards in the world.and tested under the IFOS program. The SYW product is distributed by a company Carla precludes me from nameing NOT NDI I can quote www.nutrasourse.ca or www.ifosprogram.com all day but the moment i mention the actual distributor that info gets deleted ! You will do well with this product it undergoes the identical INDEPENDENT testing that all the other listed products on IFOS undergo. It is a consistent high performer. I post only to correct your missconception that NDI is the SYW distributor They are the Independent tester for all International Fish oil standards and any other claimed testers lack credibility as any of the Sears people will gladly tell you. [/quote:8ee448df94] Short, sweet and factual bottom line: Nutrasource sells the See Yourself Well product and the IFOS program is run under the Nutrasource name as well, therefore NDI tests a product that they sell. Check the Nutrasource website and you can confirm what I am writing here. Again I am not saying that SYW is not what IFOS says it is. I believe it is a good product. But, Nutrasource sells SYW therefore at some point in the chain they are testing a product they are selling which could open the door to a conflict of interest as you put it. Pat

Hi Pat, I checked the website and can NOT find where they sell SYW Omega 3 !! or any other Omega 3 for that matter. You seem so sure yet I am more sure you are WRONG. Kindly provide the link where you can purchase SYW Omega 3 from NDI or publically admit your mistake. White LIght. P.S. Products at NDI Nutrasource Products Clinical Trial Consulting Health Canada Natural Product Number Applications I.F.O.S. Approvals Program Omega-3 Essential Fatty Acid Profile [quote:527e3974de] Nutrasource sells the See Yourself Well product and the IFOS program is run under the Nutrasource name as well, therefore NDI tests a product that they sell. Check the Nutrasource website and you can confirm what I am writing here. Again I am not saying that SYW is not what IFOS says it is. I believe it is a good product. But, Nutrasource sells SYW therefore at some point in the chain they are testing a product they are selling which could open the door to a conflict of interest as you put it. Pat[/quote:527e3974de]

[quote:955d80eeb5="White Light"] I checked the website and can NOT find where they sell SYW Omega 3 !! or any other Omega 3 for that matter. [/quote:955d80eeb5] Fine, they do not write it on their site anymore but anyone can call and do a little search and you [i:955d80eeb5]will[/i:955d80eeb5] find out that they sell the SYW product. [quote:955d80eeb5="White Light"] you seem so sure yet I am more sure you are WRONG Kindly provide the link where you can purchase SYW omega 3 from NDI or publically admit your mistake [/quote:955d80eeb5] White Light, don't start here. I will not continue on this thread with you WL. We all know your affinity for the SYW product and your friends. You defend SYW like it was your only child. You defend it without knowing the facts. You defend it even though I did not attack it. I do not "believe", I do not "think", I do not "assume" NDI sells SYW, I _know_ this for a 100% fact. I have nothing to gain here by inventing stuff or making stuff up. What would be my purpose in doing so? My purpose in these forums is to share information that people may want to know or to help people out... For anyone who may feel it is important to know this info, they can easily find out as well so no need to continue this. I did not attack your child WL. I am merely pointing out a [i:955d80eeb5]fact[/i:955d80eeb5]. NDI does not announce the sale of SYW product on the site but NDI does sell the SYW product. I believe them to be the principle distributor just like I believe it is a good product even though I know it is self tested. Pat

Easy fellas... Regardless of who sells what where and under what brand (OmegaRX, SYW, etc) Ocean Nutrition Canada makes the darn stuff. The only things to consider are price per omega-3, the form its delivered, and its IFOS rating. Everything else is nonsense.

[quote:8f24a9ceb2="Scott"] Regardless of who sells what where and under what brand (OmegaRX, SYW, etc) Ocean Nutrition Canada makes the darn stuff. The only things to consider are price per omega-3, the form its delivered, and its IFOS rating. Everything else is nonsense.[/quote:8f24a9ceb2] Scott, I have to very respectfully disagree. If we accept that IFOS is one of the important things to consider, then we need to consider the fact that the people who run IFOS also sell SYW. It really does not mean that ONC makes a sub-par product and NDI is falsifying the results to sell more... It kind of bugs me a little and does kind of open the door to a possible conflict of interest....... But as I said, I believe the SYW product is what they say it is and that it is good even though self tested at some point. Pat

Here are my views on 3 of the main products discussed in this thread: [u:50aa77b02c][b:50aa77b02c]Dr.Sears' Omega Rx[/b:50aa77b02c][/u:50aa77b02c]: This is to me the best product out there and the most trustworthy. Although, one of the more expensive ones. Dr.Sears sells many products and has all the research to back it up plus he has shown a very strong history of high regard for the health of the people and creating the highest quality products that on top of the fact that every batch made of this product is 3rd party tested with the information posted for all the world to see. I really trust his research, intentions and products bar none. Not to forget that he is the reason why we are here discussing this today. [u:50aa77b02c][b:50aa77b02c]See Yourself Well[/b:50aa77b02c][/u:50aa77b02c]: I believe that it is a good product and I have a tendency to trust this self tested product. I believe that for many reason including the ones mentioned in this thread that ONC makes it. It would seem easy to make the stuff and test it with the equipment NDI has. One of the reasons SYW is cheaper is because NDI who I believe to be the main distributor can test it at minimal cost since NDI owns the best equipment to do so... Another thing of note for the SYW product is that they do not sell contradictory products and in combination with NDI, they are very focused on Omega 3's and Omega 3 tests, etc.. We all know that Omega 3's are the most important supplement we can take so focusing on this most important one speaks well of NDI and the SYW product. Although the fact that they self test their product does not speak as well for them but I digress. [u:50aa77b02c][b:50aa77b02c]Natural Foactors RxOmega [/b:50aa77b02c][/u:50aa77b02c]: The facts and my insticts on that one make me less inclined to trust them... What are those facts? Proven previous false statements, very cheap price, they sell so many contracdictory products (Vitamin E with mixed tocopherols, Vit E with no mixed tocopherols, 60% Omega 3's, 30% Omega 3's, Omega 3-6-9, etc, etc...). They are abviously more concerned about selling as many products as possible and that in itself makes me doubt them a whole lot more along with the fact that they do not have 3rd party testing. Pat

[quote:0a33e4672d]Scott, I have to very respectfully disagree[/quote:0a33e4672d] Aw c'mon Pat--just tell me I'm full of it. :lol: [quote:0a33e4672d="itsallaboutbalance"] If we accept that IFOS is one of the important things to consider, then we need to consider the fact that the people who run IFOS also sell SYW.[/quote:0a33e4672d] While I can't confirm your assertion, from my perspective, its more important for the tester to be indepdendent of the [i:0a33e4672d]manufacturer[/i:0a33e4672d]. ONC has consistently acheived 5-star ratings regardless of who puts their name on the bottle, and they manufacture the [i:0a33e4672d]only[/i:0a33e4672d] fish oil ingredient to be verified by the US Pharmacopeia (USP) verification program, and the only one to be awarded a Drug Identification Number from Health Canada. That being said, when choosing a brand that meet the IFOS standards for concentration and purity, I look at other criteria--, the bioavailability of its molecular form, triglyceride positioning, price. Now IF in fact the tester does sell its own, and IF I didn't know the manufacturer, I'd feel as you do. At the present moment, my concerns are with the ethyl-ester form and affordability. [quote:0a33e4672d]One of the reasons SYW is cheaper is because NDI who I believe to be the main distributor can test it at minimal cost since NDI owns the best equipment to do so... [/quote:0a33e4672d] I don't think that's the reason because the IFOS testing is not a significant price tag for anyone wishing to have it done. Excellent summary of the brands by the way, though my rankings would be a bit different :wink:

Hi Pat, First you ask me to check their site to verify they sell it. Well I did and they dont, RIGHT ? (But I already knew that) Now you say call them and they will sell it. Of couse I know you are WRONG yet again. So why don't you call them youself and get the TRUTH. Clearly you realize I am very well informed on this topic so please do not blindly assume you know better, it is very obvious that you don't. You made a mistake. That's fine. Please make the call to verify what I say is TRUE and confirm this fact for the readers here. White Light. [quote:afb58af608="itsallaboutbalance"][quote:afb58af608="White Light"] I checked the website and can NOT find where they sell SYW Omega 3 !! or any other Omega 3 for that matter. [/quote:afb58af608] Fine, they do not write it on their site anymore but anyone can call and do a little search and you [i:afb58af608]will[/i:afb58af608] find out that they sell the SYW product. [quote:afb58af608="White Light"] you seem so sure yet I am more sure you are WRONG Kindly provide the link where you can purchase SYW omega 3 from NDI or publically admit your mistake [/quote:afb58af608] White Light, don't start here. I will not continue on this thread with you WL. We all know your affinity for the SYW product and your friends. You defend SYW like it was your only child. You defend it without knowing the facts. You defend it even though I did not attack it. I do not "believe", I do not "think", I do not "assume" NDI sells SYW, I _know_ this for a 100% fact. I have nothing to gain here by inventing stuff or making stuff up. What would be my purpose in doing so? My purpose in these forums is to share information that people may want to know or to help people out... For anyone who may feel it is important to know this info, they can easily find out as well so no need to continue this. I did not attack your child WL. I am merely pointing out a [i:afb58af608]fact[/i:afb58af608]. NDI does not announce the sale of SYW product on the site but NDI does sell the SYW product. I believe them to be the principle distributor just like I believe it is a good product even though I know it is self tested. Pat[/quote:afb58af608]

Hi Scott, [quote:61c6d8ec84="Scott"] Regardless of who sells what where and under what brand (OmegaRX, SYW, etc) Ocean Nutrition Canada makes the darn stuff.[/quote:61c6d8ec84] in Italy a company that partners with Sears sells a co-branded Omega 3RX product. They claim it is the same product SearsLabs sell in the US, and they don't have it tested indipendently for that reason. This product seems not to be produced by ONC, though, but by DSM Nutritionals. Given that it is compulsory in the EU to state the origin of the fish oil on the product label, it writes "UK", another reason to think it is not ONC's product. It has the same characteristics of the ROPUFAn-3 75EE https://www.nutraaccess.com/productDoc/pds/pds_5002494.pdf Any ideas?

[quote:027bf41fc7="Gent"]in Italy a company that partners with Sears sells a co-branded Omega 3RX product. They claim it is the same product SearsLabs sell in the US, and they don't have it tested indipendently for that reason. This product seems not to be produced by ONC, though, but by DSM Nutritionals. Given that it is compulsory in the EU to state the origin of the fish oil on the product label, it writes "UK", another reason to think it is not ONC's product. It has the same characteristics of the ROPUFAn-3 75EE Any ideas?[/quote:027bf41fc7] Hey Gent- Although ONC is the world's largest Omega-3 manufacturer and largest provider of concentrated omega-3s for the North American market, certainly others have gotten in the game. Dr. Weil's IFOS product is Roche Vitamin's (DSM Nutritional Products) concentrated omega-3 (ROPUFA)--and it appears you are correct regarding the relationship between ZoneLabs and DSM. http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templa...cleid=5754

Hi all! Dr.Sears' Omega Rx is now available for delivery in Canada! You can just order it and it will be delivered to your door! Just an FYI Pat

I get mine from Life Extension and they ship to canada no problem. They are listed on the IFOS site now and have a great product for about 30-50% less than other fish oils.

Thanks!

I just had chicken livers for dinner...I feel great!

What did you have?

Thanks.

Best to take it easy with organ consumption, even better to pass on them altogether. They contain a lot of AA which increase cellular inflammation. And, I used to love chicken livers until I learned this.

For dinner tonight I had big bowl of raspberry soup: frozen raspberries thawed and slightly crushed, unsweetened low carbohydrate soy milk, Zone protein powder, almond butter, fresh squeezed lemon juice and for seasoning a little bit of agave, alcohol free vanilla and nutmeg. Delicious!