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alex 
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| 05/09/2008 9:48 AM |
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Sometimes, not as much as i used to, but sometimes i get real frustrated w being so healthy because i see some people who eat horribly, never excersize or get any activity in and not only are they in good shape, they got almost no fat on them at all and there in better shape than me-a person who eats perfectly everyday, and worksout twice a day, everyday, no matter what. Why would god make it like this? Wouldnt it be better to have everyone have the exact same metabolisms and bodies and therefore when you dont show dicipline/ or a little effort towards your health-it acutally shows....
This is the only question i really dont have an answer for, untill now. It's easy to say that the people like that just have a higher metabolism but its got to be more than that. I eat 1700 cal a day, all good and vitamin packed calories. Work my ass off everyday and am in decent shape for it. Theres people who have thousands of empty calories, never do cardio, never do resitance training, and there in perfect shape-it doesnt make any sense. That cant ALL be just them having a high metabolism can it? I think i know another part of it but i want to see what you guys have to say 1st. again, it doesnt frustrate me as much as it once did, but sometimes it still does! |
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Sue
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| 05/09/2008 9:57 AM |
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Hey alex!
Some things don't seem fair. IMO, it'll catch up with them in time! |
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Matt
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| 05/09/2008 10:08 AM |
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Agreeing with Sue on this one for sure.
I bet you are talking about people your age. 20 years from now when they are my age and they are 50-70 lbs overweight, you will still be in good shape.
At that age, if they ever get motivated they will then have to work 10 times harder to get back to that same fitness level.
The other aspect is just because they appear fit doesn't mean they are fit or healthy. How would they do in an endurance competition? What would they're blood work numbers look like compared to your's?
Life isn't like a box of chocolates it is more like a jar of Jalapenos. What you eat today can come back & burn your arse tomorrow. |
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alex
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| 05/09/2008 12:24 PM |
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whats IMO mean? Yeah, age could play a big role. the people i see all the time are my age. I think the mind plays a big role in it too. Take these two scenarios
Two kids w the same identical metabolisms and excersies routines
One kid doesnt think twice about what he eats. he never thinks about the nutritional value about wat he eats or what the concequences of what hes eating are.
The other person is like me. Cares a ton about what hes eating and is contantly thinking about was he can eat better. he never takes in any bad calories or anything that can be unhealthy to him.
How the person percieves the food plays an equal role in what the food actually does to you (equal to the nutritional value!) Look at it like this: a fat person trying to lose weight orders a piece of choclate cake at a restaurant- to her that peice of cake is more than just a cake, its a way to get fatter, it a way to lose all the work shes been doing- shes contantly thinking about how it tastes and how quickly shes eating. After shes done she feels like crap
Now a fit person (like type of people that can eat whatever they want) They order a peice of cake and cant wait to eat it. when they get the cake, yes there happy to have it but its nothing more than just food, and they arent thinking about it at all when there eating it. They have other things on their mind-like when hes got to work next or his homework hes got to do.
Yes these two people took in the same exact food but they perceive it differently. one person expects to get a little fatter after eating the cake, while the skinnier person thinks nothing of it.
One more way to see it is like this-If you think you are eating healthy, than so does your brain and therefore so does your body-also, if you think you can eat whatever you want and not gain weight, then you wont gain any wieght- but it also works the other way- if you think you cant eat everything you want, and youll gain weight back really easily, then you will. This explain how people gain all the weight back after dieting- its not so much from eating bad foods and not excersizing as much as it is the feeling they get from eating the bad foods.
Its kind of hard to explain the concept that im trying to get you guys to grasp but you kinda get it?? |
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alex
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| 05/09/2008 12:35 PM |
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Hey, i think this is an easier way to explain it
Say i was eating a very strict zone diet for several years. I know what im eating is good for me and is not going to gain me any weight. However, lets say some person secretly injects a bunch of unhealthy food into the food that im eating (like pumping saturated fat into an apple) w/o me knowing. I would continue to go on my diet like i have been and even though im suddenly eating very unhealthily, i wouldnt gain any weight at all because i didnt know i was. All the time i was eating the really bad food, i thought i was just eating my usual zone food, and therefore woulnt gain any weight.
This is how the people who eat whatever they want can eat like they do w/o gaining any weight. Its nothing to do w metabolisms or anything like that, -its all in the mind.
Diets arent hard to lose weight because its hard to have that commitment to a healthy lifestlye, there hard becuase it automatically puts that "dieter" into the wrong mindset. A mindset where hes thnking about the food too much and when he has the occasional bad food, he expects to gain weight.
Pretty interesting huh? I think it makes alot of sense.
Of course the problem is like a catch 22. If a person wants to look better, theyd have to eat better, and eating better automatically puts that person into the wrong mindset :( |
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Em
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| 05/09/2008 3:04 PM |
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i totally agree with you Alex.. sometimes (like right now) i want to give up on he zone. Ive been doing it for a month and no weight loss.... i feel like all my friends enjoy ehatever they eat and dont gain weight, while here i am not eating all those foods and still not losing any weight.. im really getting frustrated to the point that i went and bought a box of ice cream and ate it all ...
im discouraged and dont know what to do..:crazy: |
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Sue
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| 05/09/2008 3:18 PM |
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IMO = in my opinion
IMHO = in my humble opinion
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| 05/09/2008 3:29 PM |
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| alex, I understand your theory, but I think that for the majority of people mindset will not prevent the inevitable negative impact of a poor diet. |
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bunny
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| 05/09/2008 4:38 PM |
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I don't really agree with your theory.
I was someone who could eat anyhting without putting on weight. I never thought about how much calories I was eating. But then I started to gain weight, and I still don't why I did. Anyway, I continued to eat the way I was eating and I gained more and more weight! It was driving me crazy because I didn't understand why I couldn't eat the same way I did before without gaining weight. I think my metabolism must have changed for some reason. I don't know.
But I do agree, that a "diet" works better when you do not obsess about what and how much you're eating. I think we all have a internal alarm that rings when we have reached our limit. The people you are talking about do not eat that much or that badly, it's juste that their bodies know how to self-regulate. But some people can not hear that alarm, they eat when they're not hungry, when their body doesn't need food, they have lost touch with what their body is telling them.
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Alene
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| 05/09/2008 6:27 PM |
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It would be boring if we were all alike Alex!
I agree, at least in part, with the others in that their bad eating habits may show up later. I cant totally agree, as I have the same situation in my own house! My husband eats anything he wants to, doesnt exercise to any great degree and is about 5' 11", 160 lbs. and his cholesterol is like 170 ! I, on the other hand, ate the same things and it showed up in my cholest. being 100 pts. higher than his at one time, and, my fasting blood sugar was up too high. If I dont watch my portions and my sweets, high GI carbs, my weight tends to go up......his stays within 5 lbs. either way!
I agree that there is a definite balance in what we eat to keep us performing at our best. I also agree that thinking about it too much, is, in my opinion, is a waste of time. There is so much more going on than to sit around and think about all of it all of the time. When it gets close to mealtime, I go fix something! I dont worry about the metabolism and the other scientific things. I eat something good for me, that tastes good and balance my meal.
Alex, I agree that there is a "dieters mentality" that we need to stay away from and just eat right. And, at least part of what you were saying about a mind set about food makes sense because if we set a "law" that we cant eat this or that.....thats exactly what we will want to eat. If you change that mind set to "I want to eat this because its better for me than those other foods, better for me than the junk and it tastes good too", you will start to have an honest lifestyle change instead of just trying to convince yourself you HAVE to eat it and will never get to eat another. . . whatever. . . again! Thats a deprivation mentality and it wont work.
I agree that another factor is, if we'd stop eating when that "full alarm" goes off and not keep stuffing ourselves just because its there, or just because we dont want to waste it, or, sorry Dr. Sears.....even because Dr. Sears says thats the portion we should eat............we'd be better off. Our bodies were made to use good foods and to tell us when we've had enough of that good food. We need to listen to our bodies more, and, IMHO, let some of this research alone. Stop worrying about every little bite we put in our mouths! If we're eating right, not hot fudge sundaes and candy..........but, good wholesome natural foods, and stop when we're full.........and not sit around all day........we should shape up and weigh what we were meant to weigh! I'm talking to myself here too! I need to be practicing what I'm saying! LOL Anyway, just my thoughts on the subject for whatever its worth. |
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janet
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| 05/09/2008 8:31 PM |
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And that's just the beginning of the things that aren't fair! Oh my, there's such a long list!
We have only ourselves to work with.....(!) and our proclivities. I know I am one of those people who eats for emotional reasons, who doesn't hear the full signal, or who overrides it at the drop of a hat. The thrifty genes people.
We eat a little extra for later....when the lean times hit....(what lean times?) but try telling that to my genes. |
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alex
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| 05/10/2008 8:33 AM |
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just for the record i think genes playa very minimal role in your weight. I think i HUGE part of it is how you were raised, and the type of food that you eat for the 1st 5-7 years of your life (when you cant choose what you eat, and your parents do)
Im gonna do some research on the placebo affect and see just how powerfull the mind really is. Obviously there are limits w my theory- like a person at 20,000 calories in a day, but only thought they were taking in the perfect amount, taht person would obvioulsy gain weight, HOWEVER,( this is where my theory comes in) that person would gain signifigantly less weight than a person who knew they ate all those bad foods and way too much calories.
I seriously think that if a person would to be in the right mindset, and, a very important part that someone mentioned, listen to their bodies alam system, taht we could potentially eat whatever we wanted and would stay at our ideal weight.
Heres the catch 22-you cant intentially get into the right mindset :(. Your either in it for life, or out of it for life. You cant tell your brain that you wont gain any weight by eating this cookie, becuase in the back of your mind, your thinking about all the bad carbs and fat this cookie has, and will inevitably feel bad after eating it.
I know me personally am out of it for life not matter what haha. Theres no way i can have even an ounce of an unhealthy food. But, i know that scientifically, a small cookie wont do anything to me in the long run, however, the way a percieve that cookie (which is an unfavorable carb that offers me nothing, way too much fat etc...) makes the cookie actually affect me alot more than it should.
My freinds ask me all the time to eat just one french fry, or something like that, and i cant becuase i know the one small fry will affect me alot more than it would them- not bc of my metabolism, but of how i perceive the food. If someone snuck it a pound of glucose into my salad, n i didnt know or taste it- i wouldnt gain any weight..
Luckily for me my taste buds have changed to the point where im giving into temptation everyday-by having those blueberries, or that pear, or steamed cauliflower and spinish!! |
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amy
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| 05/13/2008 4:19 PM |
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| I have to throw my two cents in here. i work for a cardiac rehab facility and i have to say that just b/c someone "looks" healthy, doesn't mean that they are. we see people everyday that are not overweight, exercise on a regular basis, and are sufferers of heart disease. The truth is to prevent disease, it's not enough to look good in our blue jeans and swimsuits. we have to eat healthy foods and get regular exercise and if we have a family history we have to stay on top of things and get regular checkups and keep a close eye on things like cholesterol levels. Being thin won't save our lives, we must be healthy. That's my plan anyway. |
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janet
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| 05/14/2008 12:29 AM |
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many researchers are finding that genes do affect weight in various ways....some people have a genetic tendency to conserve energy (the "thrifty" gene) and store fat for hard times.....doesn't mean these people have to be overweight, just means they will have to counteract that tendency with diet and exercize. There are people who have type 2 diabetes in the family and they too will have to counteract these genetic tendencies.
I have both these tendencies, and was raised on very healthful food. I was never overweight until I was over 30.
That said, I have also eaten for emotional reasons, and that is not genetic. But I am more mindful of that now. |
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Nancy
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| 05/14/2008 1:11 PM |
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The success of the ZONE should be a personal endeavor. The reason to eat healthy, workout, look good, be a good person should be for YOU! Don't worry about the other people...you don't know what goes on behind closed doors. If you are feeling great on the Zone ( I AM!) and other people are shoveling Double cheeseburgers in their mouth, I actually feel badly for them. I know that it will catch up with them and may cause some serious problems down the road. I always give myself a little room for "cheating" so that I don't feel deprived and it allows me to be GOOD all week long (I love chocolate cake). I am doing this for MY life and my hubby and kids.
Just be proud of yourself. Life is not fair. When my kids say, "ITS NOT FAIR" I always respond. "Fair is where you take your pigs!" |
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alex
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| 05/14/2008 3:14 PM |
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| i think alot of it has to do w autosuggestion, ive been reading up on it and it makes alot of sense. it supports all my points in my previous topics. I think a big hurdle that alot people face is blaming it on their genes or genetics, when half the reason there in that position in the 1st place is bc they "think" its their genetics. |
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