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| 08/06/2008 8:14 PM |
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I usually cook my egg whites in olive oil.
Written by Dr. Robert G. Thompson
Quite simply, eggs contain only HDL cholesterol (good cholesterol) and protein. The protein in eggs is the most similar to human protein of all known food sources. Beware, do not cook the eggs in oil of any kind, this adds bad fat, rancid fat or LDL cholesterol. A hard-boiled or fried egg in a non-stick skillet with water is best. I recommend at least one to two eggs per day. In nearly every case, my patient’s cholesterols come down and HDL “good” cholesterol goes up.
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Tom
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| 08/07/2008 10:07 AM |
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Interesting...
Do you have a link to this article/information that you could share?
I'm in that camp that thinks a good, pastured egg or two each day is healthy. In that craze to demonize any type of animal fat (1960-2008+) eggs got a really bad reputation. Turns out, apparently--and like so much of our current belief, it may not be true.
The problem with a nutritional guideline is that the tests are always flawed in some way. Removing, say, fat from a diet not only makes it 'low-fat' but then low calorie, too. If the caloroies are replaced by other foods, then it's low-fat/high carb or protein. Too many variables to make good science.
But I digress...or divagate* as the case may be.
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E.Wally
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| 08/08/2008 12:47 PM |
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... I think our friend the good doctor's advice for using a non stick pan is good advice but I suspect what he is getting at and not being clear at all is that if you are cooking with Olive Oil you DO NOT want to be cooking at "high temperatures" as that can turn olive oil into a "bad fat".
What's "high temperatures" ? I have read that the trick is to cook at the lowest temperature so that the "olive oil" does not "snap" and "crackle" but "sizzles quietly".
Perhaps one of our "gourmond chefs" such as as Matt can illuminate this ?
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http://www.abc.net.au/health/healthyliving/stories/2008/05/27/2235487.htm
Eggs: healthy or not?
It wasn't that long ago that eggs were considered a dietary no-no. But if you've been avoiding the humble goog for health reasons, it's time to sit up and take note. Basically, eggs aren't as bad as they were cracked up to be.
Eggs went out of favour because of the cholesterol in their yolks. After all, cholesterol is the stuff that builds up in our blood vessels increasing our risk of heart attacks and strokes.
But we now know that eating cholesterol isn't the main thing that makes cholesterol in our blood go up. Eating saturated fat – found in butter and other animal fats – has a far greater effect.
If you're otherwise healthy, and have a reasonably balanced diet, cholesterol in foods like eggs isn't such a worry. One exception though is when your cholesterol level is already high. Then, you respond differently and eating cholesterol becomes more of a problem.
While there is fat in eggs themselves, it's only around five grams. And more than half of that is unsaturated, the good type that actually helps counterbalance cholesterol's artery clogging effects.
The take home message is not only are eggs not 'bad' for you, they're nutritious – packed with protein, vitamins and antioxidants. They're actually one of the rare food sources of vitamin D, something many Australians are lacking.
If you have heart disease or you're at increased risk of it because of existing high blood cholesterol or other factors, then you might need to limit how often eggs are on the menu. But for most healthy people, up to four eggs a week isn't just OK, it's great. In fact, it's smashing.
Thanks to Professor Mark Wahlqvist from Monash University and Barbara Eden, Heart Foundation of Australia for their expert input.
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and from :
http://health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=108677
Are eggs bad for your heart?
Dr Andrew Rochford puts his medical know-how where his mouth is to find out if eggs are bad for our heart and if there is a limit to how many we should be eating.
Dr Wanda Howell, professor of nutritional sciences at the University of Arizona in the USA, has analysed over a hundred studies to do with cholesterol and she's learned that we can't live without it.
We know that eggs are loaded with cholesterol, but does it have more of the bad stuff or the good stuff?
It's time for Andrew to give this a test.
The test: Andrew will eat four eggs a day, yolks and all, for two weeks.
This roughly works out to be about nine times the average Aussie consumption. Therefore, if his cholesterol goes up, then it's bad for the eggs and your heart.
Before getting started on the experiment, Andrew has to first check his cholesterol level with a mobile cholesterol testing unit. Andrew drops some of his blood onto a slip, pops it into the machine and it reads the cholesterol level in just three minutes.
A reading above four runs on the high side so anything under four is within the healthy range.
First reading: Andrew's starting cholesterol level is sitting on 3.8, just below the level recommended by the Heart Foundation.
Two weeks later...
Following a high-egg diet, Andrew has found the perfect company to do his second cholesterol test with.
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**Oscar Mcgill is an 18-year-old body builder who's training for the world championships and...
*** he eats a lot of eggs — 18 a day! Oscar will also have his cholesterol level taken.
Andrew's result: Low. Andrew's cholesterol levels have actually fallen under 3.8, in fact, they are so low the machine doesn't have a number for it.
Oscar's result: Low also. Another great result, from a bloke whose diet is totally dominated by eggs.
According to Brisbane cardiologist Dr Karam Kostner, about 70 people in Australia will have a heart attack every day and bad cholesterol is one of the main risk factors for having these heart attacks.
He believes that eating eggs can actually lower cholesterol levels because they're high in cholesterol but low in saturated fats.
"People who eat a lot of eggs actually shut down their bodies production of cholesterol. So the more eggs somebody eats, the less cholesterol our body produces. So that's why a lot of people who eat a lot of eggs don't get heart disease necessarily," he says.
If you've got a high cholesterol reading, you can reduce it by up to 30 percent in less than six weeks, simply by modifying your diet by including plenty of high fibre foods, lean meats and low-fat dairy.
So it's all good news for egg lovers.
Eating eggs won't give you high cholesterol. In fact, eggs are full of high-quality proteins, vitamins and minerals and should be a part of any healthy diet.
But on a more serious note, if you don't know your blood cholesterol, go and get it checked. It's one of the most important and simple ways to ensure that you prevent health problems in the future.
The National Heart Foundation has a Heart Line with health professionals ready to take your call if you would like to know anything more about eggs, eating and heart health. Phone 1300 362 787.
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... from the "MORE THAN SLIGHTLY CRACKED" ZONE
E.Wally
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Sue 
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| 08/08/2008 2:15 PM |
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| Keep in mind that egg yolk is rich in AA and promotes the formation of bad eicosanoids, which results in elevated levels of imflammation. |
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paul
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| 08/08/2008 3:03 PM |
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Sorry, gotta draw the line when I am told I need to cook my eggs in water.
I normally have 3 egg whites and one yolk (homeraised) with my oatmeal for breakfast, and I have them fried in butter over easy. The yolk is my favorite part, but, at least I am giving up 2 yolks and getting about 2 protien blocks out of how I do it. |
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Sue
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| 08/08/2008 3:55 PM |
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| In regard to this statement from the first post in this thread, "Beware, do not cook the eggs in oil of any kind, this adds bad fat, rancid fat or LDL cholesterol", that would depend upon the type of oil one uses. A light (refined) oilve oil would be fine for cooking egg whites. |
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sue
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Tom
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| 08/08/2008 6:48 PM |
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[quote]Posted By paul on 08/08/2008 3:03 PM
Sorry, gotta draw the line when I am told I need to cook my eggs in water. [/quote]
I would have agreed a couple of months ago. We purchased one of those poacher-insets for a sauce pan and now have half our eggs done in that manner (steamed rather than in the water). They're not so bad after all. You lose that oil taste and get all the egg flavor.
Try it. More than once.
Tom
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Elias
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| 08/08/2008 9:30 PM |
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So, for cooking, would peanut oil be a good alternative to olive oil?
If someone has cooked in olive oil, what are the potential dangers? How does that relate to the Zone (or is there a relationship at all)?
I was just wondering, because I have cooked with extra virgin olive oil for a long time, and I would hate to think that I have done harm to myself, while thinking I was doing a good thing! |
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Sue
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| 08/09/2008 2:47 PM |
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| Extra virgin olive oil shouldn't be used for cooking because some of parts of it contain can become toxic when heated. It should be reserved for unheated applications. It's recommended to use a refined olive oil for cooking (such as "light" olive oil). |
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sue
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Elias
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| 08/12/2008 7:31 PM |
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Sue,
Please point everyone to the research that can be found regarding olive oil becoming toxic when heated. I have heard nothing but "rumors" about this, and have never really seen it published from a trusted source. |
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Sue
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| 08/12/2008 8:23 PM |
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Hi Elias!
It's been discussed at great length in another thread in these forums. You should be able to find it with a search. Barry Sears also once addressed it on his other site (DrSears.com) |
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sue
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E.Wally
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| 08/13/2008 5:02 PM |
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From this webdsite :
http://whatscookingamerica.net/OliveOil.htm
Question:
Please could you tell me whether Virgin Olive Oil becomes a saturated fat when used in baking, frying i.e. when heated in or on a stove? (6/19/07)
Agnes Philpott
PA to CEO - Mr. Alain Larousse
Air Liquide (Pty) Ltd
Answer:
Of course, providing a chemical-oriented answer to someone from a compressed gas chemical company frightens me, but I will give it a go. Saturation is a reaction with hydrogen, a chemical process which does not occur very well in an oxygen-atmosphere. As the heat of your stove causes oxidation (also known as burning), the answer is no, olive oil will not convert to a saturated fat. Feel free to double check that with the corporate chemists. Another point to keep in mind is that all oils, even olive oil, have some portion of saturated fatty acids (albeit sometimes in very small amounts) and that saturated fats are not universally bad.
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If you heat olive oli during cooking, does it covert to saturated fat? Pls advise. (11/1507)
Damini Shah
Sr. Clinical Data Scientist
GlaxoSmithKline/UP
610-917-6244 (External)
8-282-6244 (Internal)
610-917-4147 (Fax)
Answer:
I believe this question has been covered fairly comprehensively in the answered questions section, but my short answer is no, cooking with olive oil in normal cooking temperatures will not add to the already existing low-level of saturation present in olive oil.
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Cooking with olive oil is like cooking with wine. Never use a wine or olive oil that does not taste good to you. An inferior one will leave an aftertaste. If you do the taste test and compare the "pure" to the "extra-virgin" and the you'll understand the difference.
When cooking with olive oil, save your extra-virgin expensive oils for salads, dressings, and vinaigrettes. You can also drizzle it over slices of crusty bread or onto open-face sandwiches. Use it on a baked potato or add it to mashed potatoes instead of butter. Extra virgin olive oil tastes great on cooked vegetables or brushed onto fish or meat before serving.
When sautéing or frying, use either a combination olive oil (one that is simply a blend of extra virgin and regular olive oil) or a straight olive oil.
For deep frying, the olive oil grade "olive oil," is excellent because it has a higher smoke point (410º F) than virgin or extra virgin oils.
... from the "EXTRA VIRGIN" Zone
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Cranberrycat
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| 08/13/2008 10:49 PM |
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E. Wally,
from the "EXTRA VIRGIN" zone? LOL! |
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E.Wally
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| 08/15/2008 1:18 AM |
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from the "SORTA VIRGIN" Zone ? |
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Cranberrycat
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| 08/15/2008 9:46 AM |
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| Well, I have never met you personally, but my guess is, "try again"! LOL! |
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Elias
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| 08/16/2008 9:43 AM |
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[quote]Posted By Sue on 08/12/2008 8:23 PM
It's been discussed at great length in another thread in these froums. You shoudl be able to find it with a search. Barry Sears also once addressed it on his other site (DrSears.com)[/quote]
Sue,
when it comes to searching for specific posts, I just don't have the time to go through all of the results! It is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
If you are familiar with the fact that this was discussed before, I surely hope that you can either give me a link to the thread, or a direct link to the research.
Thanks!
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Alene
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| 08/23/2008 11:58 AM |
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Well, what little I can add, is, that I eat 2 regular eggs, whites and yolks almost every morning with turkey bacon then add the carbs of my choice that day. I have been doing this for months, cook them usually in either a pat of butter or canola oil in a non stick skillet. The price of extra virgin olive oil went up and I started using canola....simple as that. Nothing against the olive oil for cooking....meaning, I was using the type FOR cooking.
But, here's the bottom line for me.........I just got the results back on blood tests and my cholesterol is down!
I would say, out of 7 days a week, this is my normal breakfast for at least 5 of them and has been for at least 6-8 months now. It also keeps my energy level good all morning and keeps me in the Zone for 4 hrs. All I can say is that it works for me.
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Sue
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| 08/23/2008 12:37 PM |
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| A tip for newbies to the Zone, very limited consumption of egg yolks and butter is recommended on the Zone diet in order to promote the lowering of your silent inflammation. |
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sue
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Alene
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| 08/23/2008 1:36 PM |
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| Butter is simply unfavorable, not a horrible thing to use in moderation, and, it simply adds more flavor. |
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| 08/23/2008 2:51 PM |
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Alene, I think your breakfast sounds delicious! And, if it keeps you in the Zone, then that is a step in the right direction.
As you said, moderation is the key.
BTW, not that I have any scientific fact to back this up, but there is always discussion in the news about whether or not whole eggs are good or bad for you. I know Sears would talk about the AA in the egg yolk, but I have to believe that we just can't make a decision NOT to eat a food just because of one bad quality. After all, why would God have given us egg yolks in the eggs, if he had not intended on us to eat them? Thousands of years ago, I don't think that we would have seen people breaking apart eggs and just eating the white part!
Butter is another thing. If you really want to have a little butter, then butter is a much better choice than margarine! And, it does add a ton of flavor.
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