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Sue 
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| 07/19/2008 3:42 PM |
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Hi lynn,
I finally tried my idea for Zone Pasta and cheese sauce last night. Delicious! I was cooking only for one (me, lol!). I boiled 40 grams of Zone Fusilli for the recommended 9 min, and drained it. Then I returned it to the stove and, over low heat, I stirred in 1 block of low fat cheese (1 round of Baby Bel Light, cut into small chunks), a little bit of plain soy milk, onion powder, garlic powder, paprika, and grey sea salt. I stirred it just until the cheese melted, removed it from the heat immediately, put it onto the plate and topped it with Zone Olive Oil and freshly ground black pepper. I had blueberries for dessert. It makes a very satisfying 3 block meal! |
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Cranberrycat
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| 07/21/2008 9:23 PM |
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Sue,
I hate to sound like a broken record, but I really don't think that the Zone pasta is a favorable carb in the Zone. I think that it is fine for an occasional pasta meal, but it seems to me as if one in the Zone should not consume meals that are too high in unfavorable carb on a regular basis.
Correct me if I am wrong? |
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Leroy
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| 07/21/2008 10:42 PM |
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| Has anyone asked DR. Sears iif the pasta is favorable or not? |
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Cranberrycat
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| 07/22/2008 12:57 PM |
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I called Zone Labs, and they were going to send be an email back, but so far, no response.
Truly, the lack of response says a lot to me. I doubt that they would have any difficulty answering the question, if the pasta were "favorable".
I know, I have probably sounded like a broken record on the pasta issue. My point is that I believe the pasta to be acceptable for occasional use, when one really MUST have pasta, like perhaps once per month. Also, I believe that this is a marketing move. People WANT their pasta, and if one can have pasta in the Zone, then that would likely attract more people to buy the product. |
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Sue 
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| 07/22/2008 1:04 PM |
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Hi Everyone,
Keep in mind that the annual Zone Cruise has been taking place over this past week. The people with the technical knowledge at Zone Labs may be unavailable. |
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sue
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lynn
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| 07/23/2008 4:00 PM |
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Thanks sue for that recipe ,i shall certainly be trying that one !!!!
cranberrycat ,as i have said befor ,i think the pasta is great and its to be treated as an unfavourable carb ,i really dont think that any one would be so silly to have the pasta all the time !!!!! and surely Dr Sears would not promote it if it was totaly bad for us !!!!! and would not put recipes in there books for it either,if we could not have any unfavourable carbs then this diet would be very boring ,we all have to have things that are unfavourable from time to time .
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SUE HOW DO YOU GET YOUR PIC ON THE SCREEN BY YOUR REPLIES ????
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Sue
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| 07/23/2008 6:17 PM |
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Thanks lynn!
To add a pic, click on My Profile at the top of this page. Then click on Update Profile at the bottom of of that page and add the picture as an avatar. I'll look forward to seeing your pic! It's always nice to see who you're talking to. :) |
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sue
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Cranberrycat
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| 07/23/2008 7:07 PM |
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Lynn,
So, I guess I AM sounding like a broken record!
But, please refer back to my post; I DID mention that an occasional treat with the pasta was probably fine.
My concern here in this thread is that the pasta is being promoted by some without any thought on how to properly balance it, according to Dr. Sear's guidelines. I think that the only ones here who have acknowledged the fact that the carb in this product is unfavorable is Tamsyn, you and I.
And, BTW, the zone books and this site also have some recipes that do not necessarily follow the 75% favorable/25% unfavorable rule, either. Yes, they are there because there are those who would not follow the Zone lifestyle if unfavorable carbs were banned. But, reading through the books, Dr. Sears meant for unfavorable carbs to be eaten in "condiment" proportions.
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Sue
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| 07/23/2008 7:23 PM |
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Hi Everyone,
While reading this thread, keep in mind that the official recomendation from Zone Labs is to eat 3 blocks of Zone Pasta with olive oil and parmesan for a 3 block meal.
http://www.zonediet.com/products/productdetail/tabid/144/p-47-zone-pasta.aspx |
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sue
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Cranberrycat
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| 07/23/2008 7:34 PM |
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SUE,
regardless of what Zone Labs recommends, I find it difficult to understand how duram seminola wheat can be considered as a favorable carb? Dr. Sears writes in his books that unfavorable carbs should be eaten in condiment proportions, and in some places he defines this as "no more than 25%" of the total carbs in a meal.
And, I would assume that the technical experts are still able to communicate with the outside world!
The rep that I talked to on the phone gave me NO indication that I would be waiting weeks and weeks for an answer to the question, and if anyone would have mentioned that it would be a few weeks because of the cruise, then I would have totally understood.
(I was just reading on another thread that Edward had just received an email from Dave--assuming this is Dave Screck--on 7/22. I would assume that he is on the cruise, too, but yet able to answer an email?) |
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Cranberrycat
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| 07/24/2008 2:10 PM |
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Well, I got my reply. The reply email came from Dave Schreck, who stated that he had wanted to speak directly to Barry Sears before responding.
Here is his response:
"We have reduced the carbohydrate (23g of carb; 27g minus 5g of fiber) content by more that 50% compared to regular pastas. While the small amount of durum wheat semolina is “unfavorable” we have added in pea protein, soy protein and protein from egg whites to create a Zone balanced product when you add in a small amount of fat as is suggested on our recipe label."
Now, if you read this, my first impression was that he DOES acknowledge that the wheat in this product is "unfavorable".
The part that doesn't add up is where he states about the "small amount of duram wheat seminola". Just because the carb content is reduced by more than 50% compared to regular pasta, doesn't mean that it is a "small amount" of carb in that meal. IMO, the carb in the pasta accounts for 2/3 of the total carb in that meal, if you follow the recipe on the recipe label for a 3 block meal.
(incidently, I did send a reply back, asking if these points could be clarified, and I will try to be patient about waiting on the response while they all enjoy their cruise.)
Now, I am trying NOT to be anal about all of this, but I DO generally like to follow Zone guidelines MOST of the time. I may, from time to time, want to have a meal out of the Zone, and perhaps I would consider the pasta. But, I can't see myself recommending pasta recipes to newbies any more than I can see myself recommending to eat chocolate chip cookies! Well, wait a minute--now if I can replace some of the flour with protein powder and still maintain the consistency for baking them...
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Jeffery
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| 07/29/2008 1:40 PM |
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Hi all. I am a Crossfitter and I'm new to the Zone Diet. I had been following the "Abs Diet" and saw positive results. Now I'm looking for something new. I have a question about pasta.
How favourable / unfavourable are the following types of pasta?
- whole wheat pasta
- brown rice pasta
- kamut pasta
I don't normally eat pasta because of the high carb content. I like my getting my carbs from veggies. Just curious as to opinions on the pastas mentioned.
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Cranberrycat
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| 07/29/2008 3:42 PM |
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I don't know what kamut pasta is. However, the other pasta that you mention are unfavorable carb. Sears does not "grade" the level of "favorable-ness", so they are either favorable (low density) or unfavorable (high density).
You can do some research and look up the glycemic load for a serving of each of the pasta. That might help you to "grade" the pasta on a scale of "favorability".
The Zone pasta has less carb content, but they have replaced the "missing carbs" with protein and fat. Still, the carb content of this pasta is unfavorable. |
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Cranberrycat
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snickers
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| 07/29/2008 6:26 PM |
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I wonder if anyone has discussed Dreamfield's pasta?
The box claims that there are only 5 grams of digestible carb per 2 oz serving.
If that is true, then maybe this would be a better choice than the Zone pasta? |
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Sue
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| 07/29/2008 9:18 PM |
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Hi lynn and other Zone Pasta fans!
Here's a new Zone Pasta salad I made tonight for dinner. We had baked chicken breast that I had marinated in the same varitety of dressing that I used in the salad. I roasted the garlic and the red peppers myself (separately). You could probably substitute jarred red pepers. As for the garlic, nothing tastes quite as good as fresh roasted garlic! I'll leave the actual amounts of veggies up to you depending upon what else you'll be serving with it.
Ingredients:
60 grams dry Zone Fusilli, cooked and drained
the cloves of 1 or 2 bulbs of garlic, roasted
roasted red peppers
pan roasted chick peas seasoned generously with onion and garlic powder and some S&P
Oil and vinegar based salad dressing with a Greek flair/flavor to it (I used about 2T of Cindy's Kitchen "Greek with Feta and Black Olive")
Directions :
Toss all of the above together and chill.
Enjoy!
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sue
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Cranberrycat
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| 07/30/2008 3:24 PM |
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I received a follow-up email from Dave Schreck regarding the question about the pasta.
Here is his response:
"You are correct, the durum seminola wheat does account for more than 25% of unfavorable carbohydrate.
For those who chose to strictly follow Dr. Sears’ guidelines they may consider consuming a half portion of the pasta (11g) and combine this with 2 blocks of favorable carbohydrates."
Now, this advice sounds REASONABLE. Too bad they don't print THIS on the package!
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Cranberrycat
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Cici
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| 07/30/2008 4:31 PM |
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Sue, I'm patiently waiting for a Zone cookbook from you. :)) Until then, I've got my own little stash of your meal ideas saved. This one sounds great, too. I like that you've added chickpeas. Will give this recipe a try very soon.
Nice pic of you and your husband!
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lynn
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| 07/30/2008 5:13 PM |
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Hi Sue ,
wow !!!!!! that sounds really nice ,i tried the cheesy one yesterday and that was so yummy ,its good to have pasta again ,even if it is only once a week , keep the recipes coming sue ,we will be able to make a book soon and then send to barry sears to publish !!!!!!haha
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E.Wally
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| 07/30/2008 7:20 PM |
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Now, this advice sounds REASONABLE. Too bad they don't print THIS on the package!
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Cranberrycat
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Couldn't agree more with you but I think we both know why :
pasta is just too popular an item to NOT in some way "accomodate" or at least APPEAR to be able to accomodate into the Zone Meal.
We both know that overall there has been a more agressive approach to marketing of the entire Zone concept and I think this is part of it : they needed a "pasta product" in the line up.
And if this helps keep the Zone Kingdom alive and well God Bless us.
... from the "END"Zone
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Cranberrycat
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| 07/30/2008 9:50 PM |
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When I was a newbie, I really didn't pay much attention to my carb choices. Just knew that I could have so much of this and so much of that for a block of carb. At one time, I even ate a breakfast consisting of an egg white omelette and 2 slices of a whole grain bread (similar in content to Ezekiel bread)! Oh, Man! Did Sue ever come down hard on me! And why? Because I was eating an entire meal of UNFAVORABLE carb!!!! OMG! At the time, it didn't matter that the meal SATISFIED me for 4 hours, nor did it matter that I felt well with good energy when I ate it. It only mattered that it was too high in unfavorable carb.
What concerns me about the pasta is that those who are new to this are going to assume that it is OK to eat this product on a regular basis.
But, if anyone else reads through this thread, I do think that I have stated my message quite clearly, and have gotten a definitive answer from Zone Labs to support what I had said.
I think I will go and make myself an "antipasta salad"!
Tuna, celery, green pepper, tomato, (and whatever else I am planning on putting into this nice salad), season with some Italian seasonings and marinate it in a tasty balsamic vinegarette dressing. |
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