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janet 
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| 10/02/2009 4:05 PM |
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Just to answer Sue's question about what I have learned while researching paleo....
Well, the paleo diet recognises that our bodies reached full evolution, just as we are today, in the paleolithic era. Which means that we developed eating meat, vegetables (no nightshades, they are "new world"-an uninhabited area back then), fruits and nuts. Which I agree with and like very much! And they eschew grains. Also like.
But they eat tons of fat, animal fat, (certain of them, some do not) and fry things in coconut oil and bacon is very big. some of them eat dairy, some use protein powder, they measure nothing...and eat lots of meat. They definitely don't eat "bars"!
But.....as I read their forums I am not sure anyone is losing weight,( but they might be.)...there are a lot of young folks, who can get away with eating a lot of fat, I guess. And the more sensible ones eat more like the zone. The diet by Loren Cordain seems more like the zone....The zone can be done paleo style, no doubt about it. and I actually try to do it that way, as I know grains are not my friend. I will also use some dairy, goat or sheep, but I am inspired by the move away from our culture's crazy food ways. We are so out of touch ....Is the zone paleo? No, but it could be. In fact Sears formulated the zone to be similar to paleo proportions of protein, fat and carb....so I read once. |
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Sue K
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| 10/02/2009 4:56 PM |
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| Thanks janet! I'm wondering how long it's been since you've give up grain and most dairy (a month or two, right?), and what differences, if any, have you noticed? As you know, my dairy and grain consumption has been extremely limited for many years. |
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janet
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| 10/02/2009 5:34 PM |
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| well, I am eating dairy, sheep or goat, but really should cut it out. (It's a real guilty pleasure!) The no-grains feels really good. I do not get the bloated feeling, really, ever. I'm waiting to see if aches and pains (joints) improve but hard to tell yet. thanks for asking! |
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Becky 
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| 10/02/2009 6:18 PM |
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| This is interesting. I've been researching the Paleo diet too. I even got the book by Loren Cordain. His version of Paleo does not include protein powders though. His main restrictions include beans, grains, and dairy, and basically all processed foods. Since it would be really difficult to milk a wild animal, and beans are toxic unless cooked. Beans have lectins, which he presents as unhealthy. Beans would include soy products too. Salt is a big no-no, the same with refined sugar. He puts no limits on types of fruits and veggies. There's no such thing as favorable or unfavorable. The Paleo diet book is in favor of a more Zone-like fat quantity. He emphasizes limited animal fat, eating lean cuts of meat, trimming excess fat off, and eating lots of nuts and seeds for fat instead. Although I do find his understanding of Omega 6/Omega 3 ratios a bit lacking. He is fixated on short-chain Omega 3s instead of long chain. He goes on and on about Flaxseed Oil, Walnut Oil, etc. He does advocate taking fish oil though, and recomends taking 2-3g a day. From what I've read there are a LOT of parallels between the two diet ideas. His ratio is 55% protein to 45% carbs in the form of fruits and veggies. So very similar to some of us when we have a 3 block meal and drop a carb. As for the other people doing Paleo with lots of fats, I'm not sure where they fit in. I think they are more towards the Weston Price end of the spectrum where they bascially worship animal fat. It's all very interesting to me. I can certainly see where you could easily do both Zone plans. The only drawback is that you would not have the benefits of soy protein, unless you did include it, of course. |
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Sue K
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| 10/02/2009 6:19 PM |
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| That's great janet! You're welcome. |
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sue
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janet
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| 10/02/2009 10:19 PM |
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| Hi, Becky! So do you use soy? I have found it easier to give up than I had thought. Now, dairy.....welllllllll.....maybe someday! Oh yeah, and I don;t eat beans anymore...except snap beans. |
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Becky
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| 10/02/2009 10:59 PM |
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| Hi Janet. I've tried giving up soy products, but its hard for me to do that. For some reason soy protein really keeps me in the Zone well. So I've been reluctant to give it up just yet. I have pretty much eliminated dairy though. I think not eating it works well for me. I notice when I do eat dairy now, I notice I have more intestinal issues. Maybe because I don't eat it as much anymore? I like the idea of the paleo diet, but some things are difficult for me since I used to eat dairy as a part of my breakfast every day. Now I'm never sure quite what to eat for breakfast. I don't have access to a regular kitchen so its difficult. I just have a microwave and fridge setup. Egg whites are great since I found this egg steamer. Canned chicken isn't ideal, but if you rinse it, you can eliminate most of the salt. I haven't really been following a strict Paleo diet yet or anything. I'm still just kind of feeling my way around it now. Learning the basics. |
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Cranberrycat
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| 10/02/2009 11:09 PM |
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| I am not eating strict paleo, but I am eating more "naked" foods, so this is basically eliminating the processed products. I think it is helping, and it is similar to paleo. |
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janet
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| 10/03/2009 1:38 PM |
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| great, Becky and CC! It's a worthy endeavor! Yes, I had a bit of a hard time giving up soy, it really works on the zone, but I faced the fact that I could make a smoothie without soymilk...and bit the bullet. (you know I could make almond milk, its easy, just blend up almonds with water in a powerful blender)....and so it goes. Every one of us has some inspiring stuff to share! (Becky, you have got me looking up egg steamers now!!) I have microwaved turkey bacon.... |
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janet
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| 10/03/2009 1:38 PM |
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| great, Becky and CC! It's a worthy endeavor! Yes, I had a bit of a hard time giving up soy, it really works on the zone, but I faced the fact that I could make a smoothie without soymilk...and bit the bullet. (you know I could make almond milk, its easy, just blend up almonds with water in a powerful blender)....and so it goes. Every one of us has some inspiring stuff to share! (Becky, you have got me looking up egg steamers now!!) I have microwaved turkey bacon.... |
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Sue K
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| 10/03/2009 2:20 PM |
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Re paleo, I've done a fair share of reading about it, and I'm not sure everyone here is even on the same page about the meaning of paleo. No offense meant to anyone, but let's step back for a minute and take another look at it. My opinion of it is that it's basically about making healthier food choices by eating foods our bodies evolved to run well on, with a fair amount of speculation thrown in, not all of which I quite agree with. IMHO, also to be considered, most of us, even the most ardent supporters of "paleo", are still buying much of our food from grocery stores (a fair amount of it irradiated and genetically modified, without our knowledge) where it's been transported to by truck, rail, air, etc. and some of it from different continents no less!), bringing it home in our gas fueled and electric run cars, nuking it in our modern microwaves, putting it in our gas or electric ovens, zapping it in our blenders (janet, thanks for letting me use those almonds as an example!); need I say more...
We are not paleo man after all, we are modern man trying to stay healthy the best way we know how.
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sue
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Sue K
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| 10/03/2009 2:22 PM |
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| Just curious, what does naked food mean? Maybe a raw veggie, a strawberry, raw meat or raw fish? Or does it mean a food without seasonings? |
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sue
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| 10/03/2009 3:45 PM |
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Paleo in a nutshell
With readily available modern foods, The Paleo Diet mimics the types of foods every single person on the planet ate prior to the Agricultural Revolution (a mere 500 generations ago). These foods (fresh fruits, vegetables, lean meats, and seafood) are high in the beneficial nutrients (soluble fiber, antioxidant vitamins, phytochemicals, omega-3 and monounsaturated fats, and low-glycemic carbohydrates) that promote good health and are low in the foods and nutrients (refined sugars and grains, saturated and trans fats, salt, high-glycemic carbohydrates, and processed foods) that frequently may cause weight gain, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and numerous other health problems. The Paleo Diet encourages dieters to replace dairy and grain products with fresh fruits and vegetables -- foods that are more nutritious than whole grains or dairy products. |
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janet
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| 10/03/2009 7:50 PM |
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| well, there are all different kinds of paleo! Like I said, some of them use protein powder!!! some eat dairy and are big on butter! (the Primal movement)...so there is a lot of room for interpretation. Fascinating subject, I think! And Sue, I don't mind you using my blender example at all, they all use them, I think. Microwaves, I'm not so sure.....some yes, some no. |
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janet
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| 10/03/2009 8:00 PM |
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| Also, Sue, you are doing it in a way, because you eat the proportions of macronutrients that resemble paleo. If I were my ideal weight I might not want to change a thing!!!! |
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Sue K
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| 10/03/2009 8:27 PM |
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| Optimal health has always been foremost to me, not just weight. I've continued to carefully choose what and how I eat even though I've been at my ideal weight for more than 12 years since losing the excess fat. I carefully choose every bit of food I eat. :-) |
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sue
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Kathleen
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| 10/03/2009 10:32 PM |
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| Eating "naked" refers to eating the food as close to its original creation as possible. For example, raw broccoli is preferred over cooked broccoli. A banana, freshly peeled, is preferred over, say, a banana smoothie where protien powder, or other substances are added. Eating an avacado would be preferred over guacamole. Fresh strawberries are better than frozen berries, or strawberry preserves. Fresh apples over processed applesauce. It doesn't mean eating raw meat, but it does mean that baked chicken is preferred over chicken salad or grilled salmon is better than salmon croquettes. In other words, the less you do to the food, the closer to "naked" it is. Eating "naked" simply means eating food without changing it, processing it, adding other ingredients to it, etc. It doesn't mean raw meat or eggs, but it does mean that a boiled egg is preferred over an omelet or quiche. Hope this helps. |
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Sue K
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| 10/04/2009 10:32 AM |
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| Thanks! |
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sue
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janet
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| 10/04/2009 12:29 PM |
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| Wow, thanks, Kathleen! (I dunno if that one will catch on with me...I love guacamole, omelets, etc....but I admire the concept!) It dovetails with paleo, or is a version of paleo! |
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Cranberrycat
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| 10/04/2009 8:45 PM |
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Eating "naked" and "paleo" are similar in some ways, different in others. But basically I think the concept is that we are all trying to eat foods as close as we can to the way that God intended for us to eat them. Sounds like Sue eats pretty close, except that she uses a lot of zone products, which would be neither naked nor paleo. I happen to use my fair share of dairy, and I do eat a daily smoothie. In my mind, the process of blending it up in a blender does not change the fact where the berries and the other ingredients came from. But, I can be fairly confident that there are no additives or preservatives in my home made smoothie (as opposed to a smoothie from a mix).
Anyway, I do think we have our own ideas of what it means to each of us, but it all comes down to our individual goal to pick/choose foods that are healthy for us. |
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