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02/22/2009 6:57 PM
Hi CC and Sue,

Will post tomorrow, as it's late in the evening for me.

For now: I just came across a list of symptoms for an underactive thyroid.

One symptom was ... you guessed it ... constipation!!

Which I had been struggling with big time due to my medicine, specific food items, etc ...

But now I'm starting to wonder, obviously, if it was my underactive thyroid as well all along, as well as the AA being released, etc ...

Just wanted to say this for now as I tend to forget what I want to say at a later time.

Be in touch real soon,

Alexy
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02/22/2009 7:49 PM
Yes, that is interesting. Just goes to show that not all things can be directly related to the Zone.

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02/24/2009 11:48 AM
Hi Alexy,

Yes, there are many varied symptoms associated with hypothyroidism. Even though you are still in the midst of finding an appropriate thyroid med dose, constipation will be eliminated once you are at your appropriate dose of fish oil (an ultra-refined fish oil concentrate) and are keeping insulin in the Zone with diet. I speak from both from personal experience, and from my experiences helping other zoners who have hypothyroidism. If you happen to have dry skin, as may people with hypothyroidism do, the appropriate dose of fish oil will eliminate that also.

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02/24/2009 12:24 PM
How does constipation from hypothyroid get relieved when the cause of the constipation is the hypothyroid? Does fish oil correct hypothyroidism?

The way to treat constipation from hypothyroidism is to correct the hormone imbalance.

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02/24/2009 1:09 PM
Hi Alexy!

Here's some more info. Constipation is caused by the overproduction of bad eicosanoids. It is eliminated by taking the appropriate amount of fish oil for your specific needs. Regardless of the underlying conditions that contribute to the constipation, which may multifaceted, among the impact of these things are the overproduction of bad eiosanoids.

The best way to support your needs right now, and to help you to once again enjoy the benefits of the Zone, it would be to address all you needs fully (thyroid, phantom pain, carb sensitivity, overproduction of bad eicosanoids, etc.). The way to do that is with the meds your doctor prescribes, plus dietary support including the Zone and high dose ultra-refined fish oil concentrate taken in the correct dosage for you needs.

Keep up the good work!

sue

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02/24/2009 1:53 PM
Sue,

The constipation is a result of the hypothyroidism. There would not be a problem if the hormones were in line with this condition.

Adjusting eicosanoids by increasing fish oil isn't going to treat hypothyroidism. So, therefore, the constipation should clear up with the appropriate dose of medication.

Yes, it may also clear up with increased fish oil, but IMO that is only treating a symptom, and not really getting to the problem at hand.

BTW, many people get constipated due to a loss of fiber from their diet. Would the loss of fiber cause an eicosanoid imbalance? Would you increase fish oil, or would you increase fiber?

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02/24/2009 4:41 PM
Hi Zoners!

Fish oil does provide benefits for people like Alexy and me who have thyroid disorders. I've recently read a couple of comments about it from Barry Sears. One was a presentation explaining how people with thyroid disorders can benefit from taking fish oil (directly in regard to their thyroid disorder), and, as I recall, appropriate dosages were suggested. If I find it I'll post it here. The other was the following Q&A on DrSears.com:

http://drsears.com/tabid/399/itemid/10185/Thyroid-surgery.aspx

<<<< Thyroid surgery

Q: Will taking fish oil benefit me if I have had a total thyroidectomy?

A: After the thyroid surgery, you will take thyroid medication for the rest of your life. There is some indication that fish oil can increase the conversion of T4 to T3, which is important if you are taking synthetic versions of the thyroid hormone. >>>

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02/24/2009 10:13 PM
Everyone,

There is no argument that fish oil can benefit all kinds of conditions.

The point that I am trying to make (and I think Sue is missing it) is that if one feels that the constipation is caused from an imbalance of thyroid hormone, the way to fix it would be to fix the imbalance.

If I were constipated because I was not getting enough fiber, the obvious solution to the problem is to increase fiber, and NOT to increase fish oil. Also, if I were constipated because I was not drinking enough water, I would increase water consumption, NOT increase fish oil.

And, as a side comment, not that it has any bearing on the rationale, but I believe that Alexy was already struggling with the decision whether or not to increase fish oil dosage, something which she has stated that she would have trouble affording.

However, if she works on the adjustment of the thyroid medicine, then it would become unnecessary to make this expensive increase in fish oil.

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02/26/2009 2:58 PM
Hi CC and Sue,

Thanks for all this information.

I have been struggling with ... well, not struggling. I basically quit the Zone diet the past two weeks. Yikes. And my stomach's growing ...

I have a memory issue, so I'm going to respond to each of your posts (if necessary) one by one, as I get confused if I try to summarize and then respond.

CC, I appreciate your trying to explain to Sue what I was trying to say. It sounds as if it's a somewhat complex issue.

And, I'm still trying to double-check on that statement that constipation can be due to an underactive thyroid, from another source.

Alexy
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02/26/2009 3:06 PM
CC, good point re: if one doesn't have fiber in one's diet and is constipated as a result, one gotta get more fiber in ... not fish oil!

Sue, thanks for noting all the different underlying causes that is influencing my ability to zone. You have a good memory!

Sue, thanks also for that Q & A about fish oil helping T3 turn into T4. I recognized that Q & A, now, but I of course forgot! Now it's more clear to me the role of fish oil.

CC, you're right, I *don't* have much money right now, and won't for the next couple of months at least, so I can't actually afford to increase fish oil very much. I'm already at $100/month for fish oil, plus the extra expenses of zoning. And we're in VISA debt ... yikes!

So, better to increase my thyroid medicine.

I'm trying to motivate myself to get zoning again ... trouble is, when I WAS zoning, I didn't feel the normal high energy that I'd get in the past when I was zoning. It's the thyroid.

My sleeping is improving though, I'm not as sleep-deprived as I used to. And I'm exercising several times a week now, and completely off caffeine. And trying to avoid artificial sweeteners.

I binge on milk chocolate A LOT, though. I eat one, two, three chocolate bars a day. I've decided to forgive myself for it, I did go hungry for two or three weeks, and am trying to get myself to zone again.

I'm thinking to eat 12 or 13 zone blocks a day, just to ease into it more gradually, then cut back to 11 blocks a day as my insulin adjusts. That way I'm less likely, I assume, to be hungry like I was.

What do you think??? Or is there another way to ease the insulin levels into the zone? Kinda like baby steps ... LOL

Alexy
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02/26/2009 3:40 PM
You're welcome Alexy!

A good thing to keep in mind is that the stricter your adherence to the Zone diet, the less fish oil you will need.

I'd suggest keeping the bigger picture in mind re your constipation. The dietary fiber, thyroid, fish oil, constipation issue is not as simple as addressing the constipation with one thing to the neglect of the others. That is like taking a band-aid approach. They all contribute to the constipation issue. It’s too involved to explain here in great detail. The short version, constipation has a relationship to inflammation levels, insulin levels, etc, all of which are impacted by your thyroid levels, the fiber in your diet, the amount of fish oil you take, and other things too.

As for easing into the Zone, it's like the saying about being pregnant, you're either in the Zone or you're not. If you have a copy of MASTERING THE ZONE, on the back cover you'll find a way to ease into the Zone. The bottom line is that in order to experience all the benefits of the Zone you have to actually do the Zone Diet the way Dr. Sears prescribes that it be done.

sue

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02/26/2009 7:18 PM
Alexy,

Funny how Sue mentions the "bandaid" approach, because that was exactly what I was thinking about when she had mentioned using fish oil to treat constipation!

To be honest, I think that there are so many things going on with you right now, that it is hard for you to see the forest through the trees.

I think you just have to pick ONE thing, and work on it. Following the Zone Diet would be a great thing to pick, because it will have an impact on other areas in your life. If you can't afford extra fish oil, that is OK. I think it would be really much more important for you to just concentrate on eating in the Zone, keeping your insulin levels lower.

Eating in the Zone may not solve ALL of your problems, but it will go a long way in reducing the severity of some things you are experiencing.

Your insulin levels will drop, to the degree at which you follow the Zone guidelines. In other words, you will get out of it what you put into it. If you "partly" follow the guidelines, I am sure your insulin levels will drop some (because it may be an improvement over what you are doing right now).

I would be happy to work with you on the hunger issues. We seemed to be getting a fairly good start with it when you mentioned that the lentils helped when you added them to a meal. You can apply that knowledge to other meals, as well. And, if you keep a diary of your meals, then you won't have to rely on your memory to determine if a meal works for you or not!

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03/01/2009 12:31 PM
Hi Alexy!
I take synthyroid every day , have for yrs. , have it checked every 6 months, and I am doing fine. I seem to have off and on.......mostly on........constipation, have for yrs. , even with however much fish oil was recommended it didnt help. What I have found works for me now, is, Activia yogurt! It may or may not be perfectly "zoned" but it works to keep the constipation at bay.

Hope this was of some help to you , and, get on a program with your Dr.'s advice on the thyroid medication asap.
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03/01/2009 4:08 PM
Hi there AJ,

I see ... Activia yogurt? Interesting ... I'm glad you told me. I'll buy some this week, and blend it in so I eat a small amount each meal, hopefully it'll help. If it does help, I'll try and get a supplement.

CC and Sue, I'm re-starting the Zone diet tomorrow, abient with a little yogurt or extra blocks at first to ease myself into it ...

CC, I'll email you tomorrow ...

Alexy
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03/01/2009 8:43 PM
Alene brings up a good point, and if you choose the plain activia yogurt, it is pretty close to the zone balance. I was just looking at a container of Activia at the store tonight!

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07/14/2009 9:26 AM
I'm so glad I saw this thread of posts, as a lot of this info applies to me. I started thyroid med 2 1/2 weeks ago, and have his the wall with constipation. My question - for an experienced zoner - on p. 295 of Mastering the Zone, a Q is published about constipation. Dr S describes that when stored AA is released, it temporarily reduces water flowing into the colon (which is why extra fiber seems to turn to brick). Along with upping my water intake, I take 3000mg of fish oil/day (breaks down to: 1080mg of EPA, 720 mg of DHA, and 240 mg of 'other' Omega-3s) is this enough? Probiotics have helped some, but I get frustrated that the scale won't move when I'm in this phase (and the diet gets derailed). How long does this last? Is Milk of M my only hope? Thanks for any comments.
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07/14/2009 7:02 PM
Hi Carol,

For the fish oil to eliminate your constipation, it must be the type Dr Sears refers to in his books, an ultra-refined concentrate with a 60% concentration of EPA and DHA in a 2/1 ratio (EPA plus DHA should make up 60% of the total grams of oil and there should be twice as much EPA as DHA). He also advises that the fish oil you take should have attained the IFOS 5 star rating, to be sure if is safe to ingest in regard to contamination from heavy metals and chemicals found in today's oceans (and the fish that live in those oceans) His recommended dosage for a person beginning a diet is 5 grams of combined EPA and DHA daily. If you have any chronic pain(as with arthritis) or chronic diseases your recommended fish oil dosage would be higher.

sue

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07/15/2009 4:20 PM
Carol,
Constipation can have many causes, and the solution is not always to increase fish oil dosage.

Other problems may be lack of fiber in the diet, or lots of fiber without adequate fluid intake, just to name a few.

I am not sure by your post if you actually did increase water intake, or if that was what you saw suggested. Honestly, I would recommend taking a serious look at your fiber intake and water intake before playing around with fish oil.

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07/19/2009 4:39 PM
Thanks to Sue, I didn't realize there was a ratio. And thanks to CC, I should have been more specific - water and fiber have not been an issue for me. I'm working with a Dr to rule out other things (IBS?). Even being off common trigger foods, I had a problem. I need to keep a closer diary to see what the cause might be (time of cycle for one). I got past the week-long problem, and the scale moved another couple pounds - woohoo.
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07/19/2009 9:06 PM
Congrats Carol!

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