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02/12/2008 1:20 PM Alert 
I found this online while researching Arachidonic Acid. The authors are the metabolic specialists who developed the low-carb program called Protein Power, which I followed for 4 years until I gained weight after quitting smoking. They are heavily into reducing bad eicosanoids.

"Reducing Arachidonic Acid In Steaks And Roasts
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Trim all the visible fat from the steak, and place it in a large resealable plastic bag along with a mixture of 1 cup of red wine and 1 cup of olive or light sesame oil. Allow the meat to marinate in this mixture in the refrigerator for a full 24 hours, flipping the bag and contents over a couple of times. Take the steak out, drain it for an hour or so, discard the marinade, rub the beef with some pepper or other spices to taste, and grill it. The wine acts as a solvent to leach out a fair amount of the fat in the steak, which is replaced in part by the fat in the olive or other oil you use. The oils permeate the steak, giving it a juicy succulent taste that you have to experience to believe--and make it more healthful to boot. You can use this technique with roasts as well."
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02/12/2008 3:23 PM Alert 
That is interesting, but I am not really sure that it is true. I had never heard of it. I would have guessed that Sears would have come up with something like that, in one of his books, if it were possible.

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02/12/2008 3:53 PM Alert 
So because you haven't heard of it and Sears didn't propose it, it's probably not true...is that what you're saying? A lot of others have researched this subject for a lot longer than Sears. You can't tell me that he knows everything there is to know about arachidonic acid.
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02/12/2008 3:59 PM Alert 
Beverly,
NO, I am not saying that. I only know that Sears has researched AA extensively, and if it were possible to reduce the AA, I would have assumed that he would have published this.

But, this is my opinion.

Actually, the subject is probably a good one to post on "Ask Dr. Sears".

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02/12/2008 5:25 PM Alert 
Hi Beverly,

You must be referring to Eades (sp?). That steak thing is interesting. I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the info. I've pierced raw meat with a fork and the added olive oil, and it always works very well. Salmon too (peirce the salmon, add olive oil and spread a generous amout of fresh minced garlic).

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02/12/2008 8:26 PM Alert 
Beverly,
I love the concept. I wonder if it works as it does sound tasty although I'm not much of a red meat eater.

Cran,
I agree with the "it seems to good to be true" thought.

Sue,
I'm planning to dig around too. Let us know if you find anything on this. Very interesting.
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02/12/2008 8:34 PM Alert 
A quick google search on
Reducing Arachidonic Acid In Steaks And Roasts

Seems to link right to an Eades site. It speaks highly of the grass fed beef vs. commercial stuff.

The good news is that range-fed cattle and wild game have much less fat to begin with, and what fat they have contains little AA. You can add wild game to your diet by following in the footsteps of your ancestors and bagging it in the field or by purchasing it from one of the purveyors listed in the appendix [of this book]. But the easiest first step in avoiding dietary AA is to avoid as much visible fat as possible on your meat, especially red meat......(then the preparation step above)

The doctors recommend removing all commercial red meat, fats, and eggs from the diet.

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02/12/2008 10:07 PM Alert 
Well, I would agree that "trimmimg the fat" will help decrease the AA (since the AA is concentrated in the fat). However, the issue I have a problem with is the reduction of the leftover AA within the marbled fat in the red meat. Is it really possible that one could treat meat in such a way that it reduces the AA (even after the visible fat is trimmed)?

I will also read the stuff on that website.

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02/13/2008 10:12 AM Alert 
Yes, it's from the Drs. Eades. They've probably done as much, or more, research as Sears on AA . They're very knowledgeable on all things to do with insulin and metabolism since it's their specialty. They don't advocate reducing all read meat and whole eggs, like Sears does, just switching to grass/range-fed products.
I'm lucky to live in the middle of cattle country in Alberta, Canada and have access to some of the best grass/range-fed, antibiotic- and hormone-free meat products in North America. Yak is my favourite (only 3% fat and flavour similar to cow; much more tender than bison). And I could never give up red meat...I crave it, probably due to the iron content. :)
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02/13/2008 11:37 AM Alert 
Well, I will definitely have to study up on this further. No one says that Sears is right or Drs. Eades is right. It is just weird to me that I had never heard that before. But, I am always open to receiving new information, learning something new every day!

I would also love to have better access to grass/range fed meats. It is getting more popular, but still much more expensive to buy. I live near a buffalo ranch, and sometimes I can get a good deal on bison meat.

Thanks for the info!

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02/13/2008 11:56 AM Alert 
If you have any good recipes for bison roasts that don't turn them into hockey pucks, please post them. I love bison and it's available in our local grocery stores for only slightly more money than beef, but I've never cooked a roast that didn't come out very dry. Even my cats won't touch it after it's cooked. :laugh:
The above tip is only necessary for feedlot produced meat. I see that grass/range-fed meat is already on the Best Protein Choices list in the online Quick Start Guide.
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02/13/2008 3:52 PM Alert 
Unfortunately I have never tried a bison roast.

I generally do a few steaks or burgers, and the process is to cook them really fast, so they don't dry out.

BTW, I submitted a topic at "Ask Dr. Sears" on www.drsears.com regarding the AA reduction. I hope that they post a reply!

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02/14/2008 7:54 AM Alert 
[quote]Posted By Beverly on 02/13/2008 11:56 AM

I see that grass/range-fed meat is already on the Best Protein Choices list in the online Quick Start Guide.
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Yes, I was going to mention this. Thanks for pointing that out Beverly.




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02/14/2008 8:17 AM Alert 
Here are couple references to help everyone decide how they wish to use beef in the Zone:

1. Barry Sears includes beef (specifically, well trimmed tenderloin, aka filet mignon) as one of the top 100 Zone foods, in his book by the same name. He devotes a couple pages to it in that book, a page of interesting info and another page containing a recipe.


2. Here's a comment made by Barry from an "Ask Dr Sears" article.





<<Grass-fed beef and flax-fed chickens
Q. Dear Dr. Sears,

I have been buying beef that is supposed to have a good ratio of omega-3 and omega- 6 fatty acids. The cattle eat grass only and are not "fattened up" on grains and other feeds. The poultry are range fed, and the only other feed they get is flaxseed, so that there is about 225 mgm of omega-3 in each egg. My question is would the above make a difference as far as your recommendations about eating red meat and eggs?

Thanks, Dr. Ed F.

A. Dear Ed,

Both grass-fed beef and omega-3 eggs are still rich in arachidonic acid. The content of omega-3 fatty acids is higher, but unfortunately they are short-chain omega-3 fatty acids as opposed to the long-chain omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oils. >>

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02/14/2008 10:10 AM Alert 
So is it ok to eat range-fed meat, poultry and eggs or not? Sue, your post confused me. :)
Considering that our prehistoric ancestors lived on range-fed meats and eggs, I don't see how they can be bad for us unless you're particularly sensitive to them for some reason.
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02/14/2008 10:51 AM Alert 
It's ok to eat just about anything in the Zone, as long as long as you choose carefully. I didn't say that range fed meat and eggs are bad for us.

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02/14/2008 12:23 PM Alert 
Sears response that they both are "still rich in AA" and regarding the omega-3 "unfortunately they are short-chain" says to me that he thinks they're bad.
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02/14/2008 3:09 PM Alert 
Sue, what is your opinion on the marination process that Beverly posted to reduce AA in meat?

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02/14/2008 3:26 PM Alert 
Cran, my opinion is that it sounds delicious. I don't know anything about it otherwise. This is the first I've heard of it.

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02/14/2008 3:33 PM Alert 
Sue, Well, I was just interested in what you thought, since you are regarded as an expert! Your earlier post, which I quoted here, was a bit vague, wasn't sure what you meant by "that steak thing is interesting". Did you have time to check out the Eades thing? Yes, it sounds tasty (and I have done this for flavor in the past) but after reading Eades, what do you think?

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