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Cranberrycat 
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| 09/08/2009 8:59 AM |
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| Well, I guess it would be difficult to avoid any food containing omega 6 foods, but my point is that one should not look at these foods as bad just because of a high level of omega 6 content. There are some very good nutritional aspects, as well. |
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Sue K 
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| 09/08/2009 9:51 AM |
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<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Cranberrycat on 09/08/2009 8:59 AM
Well, I guess it would be difficult to avoid any food containing omega 6 foods, but my point is that one should not look at these foods as bad just because of a high level of omega 6 content. There are some very good nutritional aspects, as well. </div>
Hi Cran!
To infer that I suggested they were "bad" (since you quoted me when you addressed this issue to me) is really a stretch from what I actually wrote. For starters, I don't think of food as being bad. This is what you will find I stated, if you look back in this thread to my original mention of chia on 8-30: Bernie, careful with chia seeds because they contain omega 6 fat.
If you're referring to fiber and ALA as the good nutritional aspects found in chia, a person gets plenty of fiber from a well balanced Zone Diet, and all the Omega 3 they need, and in a much readily usable form than in chia, from fish oil concentrates. Thanks for the info, but I'll stick with Barry Sears’ recommendations on how to consume the types of fat in the Zone. It's worked very well for me and my whole family for the past 15 years.
Have a good day. :-)
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Cranberrycat
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| 09/08/2009 10:00 AM |
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<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Sue K on 09/08/2009 9:51 AM
Hi Cran!
To infer that I suggested they were "bad" (since you quoted me when you addressed this issue to me) is really a stretch from what I actually wrote. For starters, I don't think of food as being bad. This is what you will find I stated, if you look back in this thread to my original mention of chia on 8-30: Bernie, careful with chia seeds because they contain omega 6 fat.
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sue,
I guess perhaps I am not following what you are inferring. If Omega 6 fats are not bad, then why can't we eat them?
Perhaps "bad" is a poor choice of words, but I would rather carry out a nice conversation rather than get into an argument over semantics.
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Sue K
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| 09/08/2009 10:21 AM |
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<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Cranberrycat on 09/08/2009 10:00 AM
...sue,
I guess perhaps I am not following what you are inferring. If Omega 6 fats are not bad, then why can't we eat them?...
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Hi again Cran!
Why avoid Omega 6 fat in the Zone? Is this a test to keep me on my toes, lol? :-)
It's basic Zone knoweldge that omega 6 fat is a building block of bad eicosanoids. (In the event that you have never known this, please be so kind as to forgive my attempt at humor in the fist sentences of this reply.)
Have a good day!
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Cranberrycat
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| 09/08/2009 10:26 AM |
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sue! You really should give me more credit than that.
You inferred that I was labeling omega 6 fat as "bad". Well, if you don't see it as "bad", then what is it?
And, again, my prior post with the use of the word "bad" may have been a poor choice of words, but since I posted it, I will stick with it. |
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| 09/08/2009 10:33 AM |
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Actually, lets get back to the issue that prompted all of this hub-bub.
Bernie is adding a measured out portion of chia, and it sounded to me as if she is well aware that she needs to be careful, since she specifically stated that she was measuring. IMO, if she is careful about the amount she is using, I don't see this as any different than "measuring out" an unfavorable carb. Bernie also recognizes some of the health benefits of chia.
BTW, sorry Meri for hijacking your thread! |
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Sue K
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| 09/08/2009 10:59 AM |
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Hi Bernie,
I was redently reading about about seeds forom canary grass begin used in atole and other recipes. I'm assuming this is the canary seed you mentioned. I don't know the nutrition data on it, but a tip, most seeds contain primarily polyunsaturated fats and should be used in moderation for the Zone. Have you even eaten them? What do they taste like. Aren't they very tiny?
Kind of off of topic, but do you eat nopales? Just wondered, becasuse I haven't seen you mention them. I understand it's a good Zone carb. |
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Cranberrycat
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| 09/08/2009 11:14 AM |
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| Jana, so how was the first day of school? My kids have been back since last Tuesday, but seemed like a whole new ballgame after the holiday weekend, and today is picture day! |
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Jana
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| 09/08/2009 3:07 PM |
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Thanks for asking Cran...they've just nicely come in and everyone is off to a good start! Hope the same for yours!!
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Cranberrycat
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| 09/08/2009 3:13 PM |
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| I won't be seeing my kids tonight. It is bowling night for me, first night of the new season. I will be working, then working out, then dinner, and then off to bowl. But, I will be calling them soon, they should be getting off of the bus in a little while. |
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mukkelis
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| 09/08/2009 10:53 PM |
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Oh oh oh! Things are heating up in MY thread ;-D And CC, you'll free to hijack my thread, I love it you keep it alive. And spicy ;-)
It's interesting to hear all the point of views especially as I'm not a strict zoner and don't know all the "rules" and recommendations. Tho listening to the Omega Rx Zone really taught me a lot.
I also think like CC (and Bernie), that it's good to include quite a wide variety of foods in a diet in the same time being aware of their possible effects. Not just because of all the brilliant antioxidants and vitamins and whatnot, but also to keep life interesting. And me happy trying new things :-D Doesn't mean I would neglect the fact that some of the food must be eaten in relatively small amounts.
I also hear that Sue is not against this idea but just tries to act as a wise guide for us less experienced on the Zone for not to forget all the aspects in the "fever" of trying new things. I really appreciate it, as well as I appreciate CC's knowledge and find both very useful. Internet is a tricky place regarding communication, one gets easily misunderstood and as a person that doesn't speak English as her first language, things do get lost in translation, both ways.
Because I have to say, for what I've been reading from both of you CC and Sue, you both aim to add people's awareness, to help them unselfishly and to encourage people to overcome obstacles in life on the zone. You just have different ways of putting things if you know what I mean ;-) At least I THINK I sort of always get the idea behind both of your posts and I don't think you disagree in many of the things, you just present it or look at it in a different angle.
And PARDON me for interrupting and messing with your discussion, but like CC reminded (as I hadn't thought of it), this IS my thread after all so maybe I'm forgiven? :-D
Last but not least, I managed to find chia seeds from my next door eco shop yesterday! Heheheheheh. They taste very good and I'll use them in moderation. I love to try new things :-)
WHat on earth is the thing you Sue mention to Bernie, the favorable carb, in your previous post?
Take care all you beautiful ladies, it's getting autumny here in Finland so greetings from a jog in a windy but warm, darkish morning. Off to bike and to work! |
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Sue K
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| 09/08/2009 11:08 PM |
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| Meri, it's cactus! :-) |
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Cranberrycat
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| 09/08/2009 11:47 PM |
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Meri,
They say that variety is the spice of life! Thanks for allowing us to take a little detour on your thread, and thanks for understanding.
Yes, things can easily get misunderstood, and it would be nice if those smileys worked! <img src='http://www.zonediet.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'>
Hope you had a nice bike ride. |
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Jana
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| 09/09/2009 11:57 AM |
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Well said Meri!!!
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mukkelis
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| 09/10/2009 12:55 PM |
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MUST FIND CACTUS O_O :-D Not a well known domestic carb here in sub zero levels, Finland... ;-) But I'm on the quest again, Finding Cactus! The other thing I've been looking for a long time is this hi-protein seaweed, spirulina. They've ordered it in my next door organic food store, but I can't see it arriving.... Growing impatience. Well, not really. I've got so many other wonderful things to eat :-)
Bikeride was good, it usually is. JUst getting a bit too windy and when it's coming from the front, errrhhhh. Especially on the looooong bridge I always have to ride. Over the sea. Sigh. BUT I got meself a new bike bag! It's brilliant! So much easier than to carry a bag in my back (sweaty) or to try to bind something in the back.
Jana, cheers, was a bit scared I crossed some line here but everybody seems calm. ARE YOU? o_O :-D
Oh I hope you all know that I'm just this biggy mouth babbler and please try to put my sayings into perspective. I don't mean to be rude or anything like that and I don't imagine I know best. (Unless it's re occupational therapy; I MIGHT know then)
Be well, my friends! ...just ordered the Omega RX Zone book in Finnish from the library, as well as the life on the zone or something like that, in Finnish as well. My plan is to copy the significant parts and to recruit people to eat even more omega III! And try the zone. :-)
And please don't abandon my thread totally :-) Going to the summer cabin tomorrow after work but then I'll be back again... Please miss me :-D |
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Jana
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| 09/10/2009 1:41 PM |
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We will miss you Meri! Have fun at the cottage. Do you go there year round or just in the summer and fall months? Many people are starting to talk of closing their cottages here already now that autumn is coming.
Don't worry, you did not cross any lines.....at least I don't think you did! The part I liked the most in your post was when you referred to Sue as 'the wise guide' reminding us of the Zone rules when we get caught up in the fever of trying new things. This is so true...and appreciated
I don't think we have Cactus here in Canada either! I can't even find gogi berries or coconut oil here so I think the chances of finding the cactus are realllyyyy slim! LOL!
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Cranberrycat
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| 09/10/2009 8:24 PM |
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Meri, you didn't cross any lines!
I think that Sue and I just got caught up in semantics. I was trying to be supportive of Bernie and her chia seeds, and it looks like just a misunderstanding.
I know what you mean by getting a good bike bag! I don't currently have one, I have been using the bike trailer (for my youngest girl--in the picture) to put my stuff in, but she is riding her own bike now, and I don't have an excuse to take the trailer anymore. So, will have to get some good bike bags, myself.
Enjoy the cabin! |
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Jana
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| 09/11/2009 5:36 AM |
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You do have an excuse to bring the trailer Cran.....to hold all your stuff!!! LOL!
Last time I was at the amusement park I was amazed how many people I saw that used one of the park strollers to load their stuff into (coolers, kids backpacks, etc). They didn't even have any babies or toddlers in their group so they got the stroller with the purpose of using it as a wagon.
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Cranberrycat
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| 09/11/2009 9:45 AM |
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LOL--that is so true!
I miss having my baby stroller when I am shopping in the mall! |
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Bernie
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| 09/11/2009 11:36 PM |
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Hi there !!! hello everyone !!
Well... I want to thank you for the information you gather about Chia... I also checked on my own. I will take it with moderation (not so often)... I got another nice receipy for fresh water... spinach water with a hint of lemon juice and some sweetener... and chia... tasted very good.
About the nopales.. you are right... know that you mentioned them.. I will make "huevo con nopales" tomorrow for breakfast.... they are great grilled outside...
Nopales are in the cactus family... we live in plain desert, so we grow nopales and cactus on our front yard just as you grow flowers up in the east coast...
Jana -- I can ship nopales from my yard... if you wish...
Meri..yes it is nice to try different meals... and chia is a seed that was used by ancient aztecs, so when I found it I though I should give it a try. Indians use to eat chia and water when crossing baja from the goulf of california to the pacific coast.. only that they will eat...
SueK... canary grass .. yes, that one.. and I guess is same as chia.. but I will double check on the fats. Thank you.
Thank you ladies... it is a shame I can only came here on weekends... but I will keep posting ...
Have a nice day -- night... bye now
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